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Pass or 1NT ACBL 2/1

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Posted 2010-June-21, 10:55

Holding
Scoring: MP

Partner opens 1S.
Playing 2/1 and 1NT forcing do you pass or bid 1NT.

Thank you

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Posted 2010-June-21, 11:04

definitely not pass.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 11:31

no right, no wrong, just a choice. I choose pass.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 11:47

i like pass at MPs - i'll try to play at the 1 level rather than the 2 level.

at imps it's worth bidding because partner might have half the deck and a heart suit.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 11:50

easy 1nt
no problem yet.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 12:24

dickiegera, on Jun 21 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

Holding
Scoring: MP

Partner opens 1S.
Playing 2/1 and 1NT forcing do you pass or bid 1NT.

Thank you

INT may produce from partner a or a call and with a call we can always bail with a minimal call
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Posted 2010-June-21, 12:43

I pass. If you bid, you may wind up in a better strain but at a level that is too high.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 12:44

At MP I like pass. (In general I like my openings lighter and my responses sounder by a point or two than most. It's VERY rare I will respond with less than 6 and no fit.) I will agree it's a close decision.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 12:47

The advantage of bidding is that it gives you some chance to improve the contract. If partner responds two Hearts or two Diamonds you're going to be quite happy.

The main disadvantage to bidding is that partner is much more likely to respond 2 than <Two red suit>. I don't think that you are particularly well positioned after

1 - 1N
2 - ???

2 is the obvious rebid, however, I think that this hand is a smidgeon too weak for this to work out well.

Give me another Jack or even the 10 / 9 of Hearts and I'd happily bid 1NT. As is, I'm going to reluctantly pass.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 12:59

At MPs I pass, at IMPs I bid.

At MPs, I don't mind defending 2 of a red suit, and if 2 comes back I can x.

If pard has the majors, I might be sorry.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 13:43

I would pass if vulnerable and bid 1NT if non-vulnerable.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 14:20

Being NV at matchpoints is a reason for bidding 1N, not a reason to pass.
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Posted 2010-June-22, 15:11

I pass happily, IMPS or MPs. Whatever I bid as a correction when partner fails to bid a red suit, it may be too high, or partner may think I have more and go further.

With another x I would be more than happy to bid 1NT.
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Posted 2010-June-22, 15:16

hrothgar, on Jun 21 2010, 01:47 PM, said:

The advantage of bidding is that it gives you some chance to improve the contract. If partner responds two Hearts or two Diamonds you're going to be quite happy.

I think the main advantage is that it is much tougher for the opponents to enter the auction when you bid 1NT. With none-vulnerable at matchpoints, that is huge.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-23, 00:51

Seems clear to bid 1NT. You may even have game on on the reds.
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Posted 2010-June-23, 01:05

I pass. It is only difficult for the opps not to see the cards in their hands if you are playing against children.
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Posted 2010-June-23, 01:30

1NT for me.
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Posted 2010-June-23, 02:18

1NT. If partner bids 2C (which should contain 5332's) I'm bidding 2D.
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Posted 2010-June-23, 06:05

I can not bring myself to pass at any form of scoring when in is possible my side could score a major suit game opposite very little. Bidding 1NT make it difficult for the next hand to take action and on Fridays and mondays you may hear partner re-bid 2H, how bad can that be. Granted you may also here him bid 3S or 2NT which may leave you in a bad way. However overall I just do not think you should consider passing with what may be a suitable hand for partner in 2 other strains.
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Posted 2010-June-23, 11:38

The_Hog, on Jun 23 2010, 02:05 AM, said:

I pass. It is only difficult for the opps not to see the cards in their hands if you are playing against children.

OK, please tell us how the grown-ups bid.

Say you have a 13-count 3-3-4-3 shape with Kxx in spades. What do you do after 1S passed around to you? And what do you do after 1S - p - 1NT?

Do you bid 2C on the same hands after 1S - p - p as after 1S - p - 1NT? Do you require the same strength for a takeout double?

If not on this hand, would you ever let vulnerability guide you to respond to a 1-level opening?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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