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Forcing pass? again...

Poll: Is this pass forcing? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Is this pass forcing?

  1. Yes (21 votes [77.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.78%

  2. No (6 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

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Posted 2010-June-16, 03:48

You are V, opps are NV. (MP if it matters)

Opps start the auction:
1♠ - pass - 4♠ - 5♦
Dbl - RDbl - 5♠ - pass?

Is this pass forcing or not?
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Posted 2010-June-16, 03:54

yes, it is. Redouble is autoforcing, redoubling for them to going into a contract you cannot beat is so stupid.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 04:12

It's not forcing but partner will never pass, lol.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 08:19

Of course its forcing.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 09:22

lol 5♠ float? seriously?
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Posted 2010-June-16, 11:10

I can't imagine 5S being passed out.
But I would not bid 6D very often on the 5D bidder's hand, I would either double or pass unless I had a very unsually hand.

One reason to redouble is on a hand that hopes 5Dx is making, isn't entirely sure, but really wants them to bid 5S and is waiting to double it.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 11:23

FrancesHinden, on Jun 16 2010, 11:10 AM, said:

I can't imagine 5S being passed out.
But I would not bid 6D very often on the 5D bidder's hand, I would either double or pass unless I had a very unsually hand.

One reason to redouble is on a hand that hopes 5Dx is making, isn't entirely sure, but really wants them to bid 5S and is waiting to double it.

We have actually discussed this. In this instance, only, the pass and the double are a bit different than normal for a FP --pass=5D was a long suit stretch, and double shows extras. Thus, double is more likely to get us to six than pass.

Reason: the wide range of the 5D bid.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 12:28

aguahombre, on Jun 16 2010, 12:23 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jun 16 2010, 11:10 AM, said:

I can't imagine 5S being passed out.
But I would not bid 6D very often on the 5D bidder's hand, I would either double or pass unless I had a very unsually hand.

One reason to redouble is on a hand that hopes 5Dx is making, isn't entirely sure, but really wants them to bid 5S and is waiting to double it.

We have actually discussed this. In this instance, only, the pass and the double are a bit different than normal for a FP --pass=5D was a long suit stretch, and double shows extras. Thus, double is more likely to get us to six than pass.

Reason: the wide range of the 5D bid.

At IMPS & given the colors, you can be sure this is forcing. At MPs I am less sure.
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Posted 2010-June-17, 19:13

:D It's not only forcing, it has a specific meaning - to wit, my 5♦ bid had plenty of playing strength, and I'm not looking at two quick ♠ losers - conceivably I could have three small spades. The operative rule is that we voluntarily bid game to make - and pard seconded the motion - hence the forcing pass is clearly in force.
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Posted 2010-June-18, 01:59

At this vulnerability 5♦ surely must have some playing strength, so I agree that pass is forcing. What about reversed vulnerability, where 5♦ may be a sacrifice? What with equal vulnerability? Where do we draw the line?
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Posted 2010-June-18, 04:22

FrancesHinden, on Jun 16 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

One reason to redouble is on a hand that hopes 5Dx is making, isn't entirely sure, but really wants them to bid 5S and is waiting to double it.

I tried this once and I'm not so keen to try it again. But I probably had the wrong hand (or, at least, partner did!! :))
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