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Posted 2010-June-13, 23:37
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Posted 2010-June-13, 23:54
2nt looks tempting
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Posted 2010-June-13, 23:57
I'd probably bid 1N.
edit: The reason I would bid 1N is that it shows approximately my values, and because, at imps with this hand, 3N is a likely game if partner can move over this. Also, my partners (1) double lighter when I'm a passed hand, meaning 9 tricks could be a stretch in 3♣, and (2) often make off-shape doubles (something like 4-3-4-2 shape would not be unheard of), so I try not to bid minor suits if there are other alternatives.
edit: The reason I would bid 1N is that it shows approximately my values, and because, at imps with this hand, 3N is a likely game if partner can move over this. Also, my partners (1) double lighter when I'm a passed hand, meaning 9 tricks could be a stretch in 3♣, and (2) often make off-shape doubles (something like 4-3-4-2 shape would not be unheard of), so I try not to bid minor suits if there are other alternatives.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 00:34
3C is fine. If Partner wants to know about my lonely heart stopper, there must be a way to ask me.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 01:10
1NT. Not good enough for 2NT and Cs not good enough for 3C.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 01:26
I bid 3♣ but opposite myself I would expect a much more classical dbl than perhaps most would. It was pointed out to me that the failure of RHO to raise ♥ suggests a less-than-classic double, which probably means 1NT is better, particularly if the scoring was MP. I think either 1N or 3♣ are fine, and anything else is pretty crazy. Flip a coin.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 01:43
I would be fine with 1NT. Second choice a maximum 2C. At IMPs I could easily be persuaded that 2C is the better bid. 3C looks like almost as gross of an overbid as 2NT does. No guarantee we have more than 8-card fit or more than half the deck here.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 02:03
jjbrr, on Jun 14 2010, 02:26 AM, said:
I think either 1N or 3♣ are fine, and anything else is pretty crazy.
Yes, agree with this.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 03:44
1NT, although I can accept 3♣.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 04:01
Hi,
1NT.
With kind regards
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1NT.
With kind regards
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With kind regards
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Posted 2010-June-14, 04:37
What Uwe said (except the 'kind regards' part).
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Posted 2010-June-14, 07:30
jillybean, on Jun 14 2010, 12:54 AM, said:
2nt looks tempting
since you are a passed hand I think this (2NT) is the most descriptive call otherwise I would go for 3♣
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Posted 2010-June-14, 07:35
3♣ may not work out too great if partner makes a lot of off-shape doubles (which I do). I can live with 3♣ but would choose 1NT myself.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 07:52
I would try 3 ♣. I have too much for 2 ♣ and I would worry to play NT with QTx opps x against a 5-3 fit.
Why should I use such a risky bid if I do not need to? IF we belong in NT, we will still go there.
Why should I use such a risky bid if I do not need to? IF we belong in NT, we will still go there.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 08:04
risky? what? risk of going down? 3c is 100%? i dont understand
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Posted 2010-June-14, 08:10
jillybean, on Jun 14 2010, 12:54 AM, said:
2nt looks tempting
Yikes!!!
I like 1NT
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Posted 2010-June-14, 08:10
I bid 3♣. If 3NT is right, partner can either bid it himself or bid 3♥ to ask for a heart stop.
The fact that I have 5 reasonable clubs may be very important information for partner if he is considering a 3NT contract. Yes, my 3♣ bid does not promise 5 clubs - but it strongly implies a 5 card holding.
The fact that I have 5 reasonable clubs may be very important information for partner if he is considering a 3NT contract. Yes, my 3♣ bid does not promise 5 clubs - but it strongly implies a 5 card holding.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 08:34
kfay, on Jun 14 2010, 07:10 AM, said:
jillybean, on Jun 14 2010, 12:54 AM, said:
2nt looks tempting
Yikes!!!
I like 1NT
Why is 2N so frightful ?
I admit it is pushy, but I would bid 1N on much less.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 10:09
I think I like 3♣ a little better.
- 3 level minor jumps tend to be on the upper side of the 8-10/11 spectrum and show a source of tricks, instead of just 'cards'.
- Its IMPs, and I think 3♣ is the shortest route to 3N, instead of a bland 1N. How can partner properly evaluate a 13 count with fitting club cards?
By the way, I don't think 2N is as bad as everyone is saying. We are a passed hand, so we can't be much stronger. Our heart stopper is weaker than we would like, but if pard has the ♥A/K this is a very strong holding with the lead coming around.
- 3 level minor jumps tend to be on the upper side of the 8-10/11 spectrum and show a source of tricks, instead of just 'cards'.
- Its IMPs, and I think 3♣ is the shortest route to 3N, instead of a bland 1N. How can partner properly evaluate a 13 count with fitting club cards?
By the way, I don't think 2N is as bad as everyone is saying. We are a passed hand, so we can't be much stronger. Our heart stopper is weaker than we would like, but if pard has the ♥A/K this is a very strong holding with the lead coming around.
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Posted 2010-June-14, 10:15
jillybean, on Jun 14 2010, 09:34 AM, said:
kfay, on Jun 14 2010, 07:10 AM, said:
jillybean, on Jun 14 2010, 12:54 AM, said:
2nt looks tempting
Yikes!!!
I like 1NT
Why is 2N so frightful ?
I admit it is pushy, but I would bid 1N on much less. (1X)-Dbl-(P)-1N is not the same as 1X-1N.
While it's true that you're a passed hand here, I don't think this hand is strong enough to bid 2NT even though you're max on values. Move all my values to the rounded suits and I think it's fine, I'm not exactly bringing a lot of tricks to the table here.
Kevin Fay