[gszeszycki]

we have to plan ahead if p has 4 spades and 5/6 clubs and 11 hcp it would probably be best to start with xx. They can then bid out hand at their leisure.
This would allow weaker distributional hands to begin w/o xx and still be able
to show a wide range of power.

using xx properly we can start with 1s and rebid (2 or 3 clubs) with hands ranging fom

1. Axxx xx x xxxxxx
2. Axxx xx x Axxxxx
3. Axxx Kx x Axxxxx
4. Axxx Kx x AKxxxx

1. bid 1s then 2c
2. bid 1s then 3c
3. xx then simple club rebid (unless you can still bid 1s when it comes back to you
then 2c) unless you can raise spades.
4. xx jump in clubs (unless you can still bid 1 spade when it comes back to you then 3c) unless you can raise spades.

The practice of x the opps at low levels is not dead with balanced strong hands
as long as we start with xx. Starting with a forcing 1h/1s after opp x is fine with weak distributional hands but probably should give way to xx with strong hands since there will almost always be time to bid major later if needed.

[P_Marlowe]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 12 2010, 05:19 PM, said:

kayin801, on Jun 12 2010, 04:15 PM, said:

peachy, on Jun 12 2010, 11:19 AM, said:

Not forcing. If playing 2/1, it is not even constructive but a signoff with 4-6 in spades-clubs.  An auction without competition with that hand would have been 1D-1S-1NT-3C (signoff) when NMF or checkback is on card.

With 4-6 in the blacks and weak wouldn't you rather bid a nf (assuming it is nf) 2C over 1D-X, given RHO ostensibly has the spades? I guess with something like AQxx, xx, x, xxxxxx 1S makes sense.

Hi,

1S and pass, why do you want to introduce a xxxxxx suit on the 3 level?

With kind regards
Marlowe

add. remark - lots of player switch to transfer after they have made an T/O X,
this may help with problematic shape you gave, altough I would doubt this.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[peachy]

pooltuna, on Jun 12 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

kayin801, on Jun 11 2010, 04:12 PM, said:

1♦-X-1♠-2♥-
P-P-3♣

Is 3♣ forcing? 1♠ was forcing.

I don't play 1♠ as forcing in this auction so 3♣ can't be

With a pickup, you need to assume 1S is forcing. Your agreement is an unusual one.