[pooltuna]

whereagles, on May 24 2010, 04:46 AM, said:

2♥ is easy. I think other bids are masterminding

Hey!!! This is the BBO Forum. That being said IMO, all of us probably mastermind a little bit because we are generally pretty good at analysing hands and it is something we have to guard against.

[gwnn]

I don't understand what old-fashioned has to do with anything. I think the 'golden principle' of only bidding a suit twice if you have at least 6 cards was formulated sometimes shortly after World War II.

edit: I looked it up and it was Alan Truscott who formulated it and its name is The Golden Rule in Bridge. I can't find any dates but I would assume it is not a revolutionary idea of postmodernist callous bridge.

[jjbrr]

CSGibson, on May 24 2010, 01:00 AM, said:

As to the post title - If you have to ask, then the answer is probably yes.

I came here to post this.

[Fluffy]

gwnn, on May 24 2010, 02:01 PM, said:

I don't understand what old-fashioned has to do with anything. I think the 'golden principle' of only bidding a suit twice if you have at least 6 cards was formulated sometimes shortly after World War II.

edit: I looked it up and it was Alan Truscott who formulated it and its name is The Golden Rule in Bridge. I can't find any dates but I would assume it is not a revolutionary idea of postmodernist callous bridge.

wtf are you talking about? if you have 5 card suit you must name it twice to show it is not 4 carder.


*goes and quickly hides to dodge the well aimed proyectiles shot at him*

[H_KARLUK]

2H, wtp

[blackshoe]

Outnumbered 8 to 1. Guess I am all wet.

Okay, I'm convinced. 2♥ it is. And yeah, 3♣ would be better than 2♣, but I don't like that much either.

[junyi_zhu]

jdeegan, on May 24 2010, 10:09 AM, said:

Really glad to see the 2/3 vote for 2♥. I thought, perhaps, I had recently lapsed over into a heretofore unexpected parallel universe where things looked the same but were actually just slightly altered. The joke on this hand happened on the next round where my actual partner in an indy bid 2NT with a balanced 11 HCP. Looking at a possible combined HCP count of 23-24 and no known fit, I naturally passed. Now, I don't mind bad partners, else I wouldn't play in indies, but I wasn't prepared for this player's outrage at my final bid.

Well, in an indy, you should probably avoid bidding 2H, cause reverse really need a lot of discussions. The most practical bid would be 2NT then. Even playing gib, one shouldn't reverse, cause gib's sequences after the reverse is very messy and incoherent.

[bill1157]

In an indy, i think 1NT may be the most practical rebid.

Bill

[gwnn]

yes, 11-14 hcp with a balanced hand. perfect practical description.

Spoiler

NOT

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[Phil]

2♥ is OK. Its not perfect, but nothing else is. I hate my singleton A, but you have to love and appreciate AKQxx.

1N opening? Ugh. Good luck in your 5-1 when cold for 3N.

2♣? Double-ugh.

2N rebid? Maybe a distant 2nd choice.

We'd all rather move the ♠A to the heart suit, but we can't, so lets muddle through this one.

[neilkaz]

Easiest 2♥ reverse bid seen here in a long time.

[Codo]

Passing 2 NT was bad because this is not natural and weak to many players.

I like the tipp that you should avoid the problems with a reverse in an indy and rebid 2 NT instead- or open 1NT- a little heavy for 15-17 but well....

[jillybean]

LOL I hope the vote for 2♦ was a misclick, easy 2♥.

[Jlall]

Once my friend Shane bid 2C on a hand like this and I was like dude just reverse obv and Joe Grue was like reversing is horrible 2N is the only bid... but I stand by just reversing.

[awm]

I rather prefer 2N, with so much strength in my short suits (spades and diamonds) and such weakness in my second suit (hearts). But 2♥ is certainly reasonable enough.

I don't like 2♣ at all with such a strong hand.

[Bbradley62]

Fluffy, on May 24 2010, 06:16 AM, said:

2NT after a reverse is forcing for many people, althou not necesarilly strong.

According to the online BBO SAYC, 2N is forcing and artificial, showing 6-8HCP and only 4♠, with the intention of signing off at the 3 level. (3♣ or 3♥ would be forcing over 2♥.) According to the online BBO 2/1 card (I hope the sequence has the same meaning in SAYC and 2/1), you are supposed to rebid 3♣ with a minimum reverse or 3 of something else with a game-forcing hand.

[dealmegold]

Bbradley62, on May 26 2010, 04:33 AM, said:

Fluffy, on May 24 2010, 06:16 AM, said:

2NT after a reverse is forcing for many people, althou not necesarilly strong.

According to the online BBO SAYC, 2N is forcing and artificial, showing 6-8HCP and only 4♠, with the intention of signing off at the 3 level. (3♣ or 3♥ would be forcing over 2♥.) According to the online BBO 2/1 card (I hope the sequence has the same meaning in SAYC and 2/1), you are supposed to rebid 3♣ with a minimum reverse or 3 of something else with a game-forcing hand.

This is how we play it. Lebensohl over reverses. If it's part of the BBO SAYC that suggests it's fairly standard.

[gwnn]

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[nige1]

jdeegan, on May 23 2010, 11:44 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

Playing MP's with a reliable, but pick-up partner.1♣-P-1♠-P
??

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gordontd, on May 24 2010, 02:12 AM, said:

The strangest vote of all is for 2♦: they are happy to reverse, but not in their second suit!

IMO All options have flaws and 2♦ isn't the worst.

• 2♥ = 10. OK as far as shape is concerned; but thrre is some danger in introducing poor suits, especially major suits, into a potential slam auction; and you may experience qualms about ♥ stops if partner insists on no-trumps at a high level.
  
• 2♦ = 7. OK for strength, treating the ♥ suit as a 3-carder. If partner bids 2♥ or 2N you can bid 3♥ and hope that partner understands.
  
• 2♣ = 6. Underbid but it keeps ♥ in the picture.
  
• 3♣ = 4. OK on strength; otherwised misdescriptive.
  
• 2N = 2. Overbid; misdescriptive.
  
• 3♦ = 0. Space-consuming and inadvisable when partner may treat it as a splinter agreeing ♠.

[bluecalm]

This discussion convinces me to never try playing "standard". It's just too complicated !