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Posted 2010-May-17, 18:38
I'm not sure how aggressive I should be when r/w. How would you bid these two hands?
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Posted 2010-May-17, 18:56
I'd bid 2C and I guess 3D but I think passing the first one is ok and bidding 1D, 2D, or 3D are all ok on the 2nd one. Usually I play intermediate jump overcalls so I'd bid 1D on the 2nd one in that case but playing weak 2 or 3 seems ok.
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Posted 2010-May-17, 19:13
I will bid 2C on first one,if SA changes to DA I might try 2N. 2C has lots to say. Good suit, safe level(relatively). Only thing I dont like is we may lose diamond forever.
Second one I can accept either 3D or pass. 1D should show more cards, 2D wont do much preemptive work.
Second one I can accept either 3D or pass. 1D should show more cards, 2D wont do much preemptive work.
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Posted 2010-May-17, 20:03
Pass and 3♦, although the club suit in the first one is much better than some of my usual 2-level overcalls.
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Posted 2010-May-17, 21:58
2♣ with the first one and P with the second unless a weak 2♦ option is available.
Amusingly enough I bid 3♣ at the same colors yesterday on QJ9...8th and was glad I had had the extra length when LHO turned up AKTx
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Amusingly enough I bid 3♣ at the same colors yesterday on QJ9...8th and was glad I had had the extra length when LHO turned up AKTx
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Posted 2010-May-17, 22:11
2NT on the first one? Size and shape, what the hell. Partner has a sense of humor.
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Posted 2010-May-17, 23:29
1. Definitely 2♣. Let's see if LHO can bid his spades now. 2NT is like.. yuck 
2. 3♦ wtp?
2. 3♦ wtp?
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Posted 2010-May-17, 23:42
1) 2♣, but I could easily be persuaded to pass.
2) 3♦ WTP?
2) 3♦ WTP?
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Posted 2010-May-17, 23:46
I am a 2NT bidder on the first hand. 2NT may not be ideal with the difference between the minors, but at least with equal length partner is likely to prefer clubs. Also a vulnerable 2♣ overcall is a serious statement, partner is likely to stretch to play 3NT expecting a good hand with a 6 card suit, and this hand would be a disappointment - particularly on a spade lead.
Second hand I bid 3♦, but 1♦ and 2♦ also seem reasonable. The only call I don't like is Pass.
Second hand I bid 3♦, but 1♦ and 2♦ also seem reasonable. The only call I don't like is Pass.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 00:05
1. 2♣ or pass. This hand looks too weird for 2N.
2. 2♦ unless I'm playing WJO. Then 1♦.
2. 2♦ unless I'm playing WJO. Then 1♦.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 03:04
1) Pass. I don't have enough for 2NT, and I don't like 2♣ either. Too short in clubs and minimal strength. Both 2NT and 2♣ are calls I expect partner to respect and act on.
2) 3♦, or perhaps only 2♦. Minor on minor preempts tend to work well. 3♦ is a stretch, but what the hell.
2) 3♦, or perhaps only 2♦. Minor on minor preempts tend to work well. 3♦ is a stretch, but what the hell.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 04:08
2♣ and 3♦. On the 2nd one if 1-3♦ are all available to me (no IJO), what I hate is pass and wouldn't like 1♦.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 04:47
2NT on the first and 3♦ on the second, I'm allowed to have mins for my bids as long as I have my bids.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 04:56
1. Fear partner has SKQxxxx, H-, DKQxx, CAxx so my mastermind 2NT loses 4S. 2C.
2. Ain't interested in anything else but hearts, so 1D just-in-case.
2. Ain't interested in anything else but hearts, so 1D just-in-case.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 07:21
Jlall, on May 17 2010, 07:56 PM, said:
I'd bid 2C and I guess 3D but I think passing the first one is ok and bidding 1D, 2D, or 3D are all ok on the 2nd one. Usually I play intermediate jump overcalls so I'd bid 1D on the 2nd one in that case but playing weak 2 or 3 seems ok.
my preferences would be 1]2♣ 2]2♦
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Posted 2010-May-18, 07:36
pooltuna, on May 18 2010, 01:21 PM, said:
Jlall, on May 17 2010, 07:56 PM, said:
I'd bid 2C and I guess 3D but I think passing the first one is ok and bidding 1D, 2D, or 3D are all ok on the 2nd one. Usually I play intermediate jump overcalls so I'd bid 1D on the 2nd one in that case but playing weak 2 or 3 seems ok.
my preferences would be 1]2♣ 2]2♦
just out of curiosity, why do you quote JLOL to answer the OP?
I'd rather play gerber + flannery than play a style where this is a 2♣ overcall, on the second one I don't feel ashamed at all to bid 3♦.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 07:54
Fluffy, on May 18 2010, 08:36 AM, said:
pooltuna, on May 18 2010, 01:21 PM, said:
Jlall, on May 17 2010, 07:56 PM, said:
I'd bid 2C and I guess 3D but I think passing the first one is ok and bidding 1D, 2D, or 3D are all ok on the 2nd one. Usually I play intermediate jump overcalls so I'd bid 1D on the 2nd one in that case but playing weak 2 or 3 seems ok.
my preferences would be 1]2♣ 2]2♦
just out of curiosity, why do you quote JLOL to answer the OP?
I'd rather play gerber + flannery than play a style where this is a 2♣ overcall, on the second one I don't feel ashamed at all to bid 3♦.
basically I thought I was close enough to his answers that we could gang up on you
(not that I saw your answers earlier)
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Posted 2010-May-18, 09:32
Definitely 2C on the first one, your partner should lose some of that respect MFA. I really think that 2C is a winner.
On the second hand I would probably bid 3D. I understand 2D but not pass.
On the second hand I would probably bid 3D. I understand 2D but not pass.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 09:33
dake50, on May 18 2010, 04:56 AM, said:
Fear partner has SKQxxxx, H-, DKQxx, CAxx so my mastermind 2NT loses 4S. 2C.
Certainly that particular hand immediately came to mind
And 6D might get lucky.If 2NT is split range, rather than the wide range some people use, it neither overstates the values, nor distorts my distribution. It is not perfect, because of the suit quality difference, but it is not masterminding.
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