GNT flight B teams, against a contending team. Playing 2/1, no good/bad 2N available in this partnership.
Bidding judgment What's your call?
#1
Posted 2010-May-17, 14:52
GNT flight B teams, against a contending team. Playing 2/1, no good/bad 2N available in this partnership.
#2
Posted 2010-May-17, 15:48
If they X I might have second thoughts, but 5♣ looks remote...
#3
Posted 2010-May-17, 16:04
If pard bids 4c as a club slam try over 3nt...great.
#5
Posted 2010-May-17, 16:58
Does partner's 3C now warn me H-Kx, H-QJx, H-Axx won't be enough opposite his H-void? 3NT is counter-partnership.
Having not neg-X, I choose 3S Q-bid: where are we going, partner?
#6
Posted 2010-May-17, 17:26
mike777, on May 17 2010, 05:04 PM, said:
If pard bids 4c as a club slam try over 3nt...great.
if partner bids 4♣, it isn't a slam try...it's a cry for help.
He heard you bid 1N, showing (I assume) approximately this range of strength, altho usually a bit more in hearts and less outside.
He didn't even try for game! 3♣ is non-forcing...almost any hand with 7 clubs would bid it and so would most with 6.
You then bid 3N....if he has extras, he'll pass happily...he surely won't reason that your now-confirmed (but imaginary) values in hearts suddenly make his hand several tricks stronger than it had been.
Having said that, 3N appears to be clear.
1N was a bit of a distortion, but less of one than any other call I can think of, so I'd have done that as well. The hearts aren't good enough to play for a penalty.
#7
Posted 2010-May-17, 17:31
I didn't like 3nt initially because we have a really good hand for partner's clubs: 3 golden cards and nothing wasted opposite the void. He will never play us for such a hand if we bid 1n/3n, and if he has 16 points or so we could easily miss a club slam. But given that the opponents have both found a bid it seems more likely that he's in the 12-13 point range. 3nt looks like a better bet than 5C, so I'll bid it now.
#9
Posted 2010-May-17, 20:02
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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#10
Posted 2010-May-17, 20:46
you can pass or 3nt or bid clubs.....
We are told pard bid a freebid one club and a freebid 3c...but not much more...
#11
Posted 2010-May-17, 20:54
Jlall, on May 17 2010, 07:54 PM, said:
So what? On what 3 card holding for LHO can they run more than 3 fast heart tricks? And on many our heart 9 stops them from even establishing the 4th in time to beat us.
xxx void Axxx AKxxxx or similar 11 or 12 counts is all we need to make game, and 5♣ is a long way off.
#12
Posted 2010-May-17, 21:55
#13
Posted 2010-May-17, 22:17
hate 1c shows nothing..I mean nothing.....
hate 3c shows nothing.......I mean nothing...
but ok expert forum...
#14
Posted 2010-May-17, 23:28
#15
Posted 2010-May-18, 01:06
mikeh, on May 17 2010, 07:54 PM, said:
Jlall, on May 17 2010, 07:54 PM, said:
So what? On what 3 card holding for LHO can they run more than 3 fast heart tricks? And on many our heart 9 stops them from even establishing the 4th in time to beat us.
xxx void Axxx AKxxxx or similar 11 or 12 counts is all we need to make game, and 5♣ is a long way off.
or partner could be KJ9 void QJTx AJxxxx, where 5 clubs is a much better contract than 3N (actually the case).
Give LHO the T of hearts and RHO an ace outside of hearts, and 3N is hopeless.
#16
Posted 2010-May-18, 07:02
CSGibson, on May 18 2010, 02:06 AM, said:
mikeh, on May 17 2010, 07:54 PM, said:
Jlall, on May 17 2010, 07:54 PM, said:
So what? On what 3 card holding for LHO can they run more than 3 fast heart tricks? And on many our heart 9 stops them from even establishing the 4th in time to beat us.
xxx void Axxx AKxxxx or similar 11 or 12 counts is all we need to make game, and 5♣ is a long way off.
or partner could be KJ9 void QJTx AJxxxx, where 5 clubs is a much better contract than 3N (actually the case).
Give LHO the T of hearts and RHO an ace outside of hearts, and 3N is hopeless.
perhaps a simul is in order?
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#17
Posted 2010-May-18, 11:19
mikeh, on May 17 2010, 09:54 PM, said:
Jlall, on May 17 2010, 07:54 PM, said:
So what? On what 3 card holding for LHO can they run more than 3 fast heart tricks? And on many our heart 9 stops them from even establishing the 4th in time to beat us.
xxx void Axxx AKxxxx or similar 11 or 12 counts is all we need to make game, and 5♣ is a long way off.
There are bids between 3C and 3N. I'm sure with AK sixth and an ace partner will bid 3N over whatever move (like 3H) we choose.
But if I had to choose one game for my life I'm sure I'd choose 5C. Luckily I don't have to since that is a close decision.
#18
Posted 2010-May-18, 11:38
#19
Posted 2010-May-18, 12:28
Practical bid over 3C is 3NT. It does not always make though. I would not mind some other forward going bid below 3NT, but what would it mean?
#20
Posted 2010-May-18, 12:44
What should 3♥ mean on this auction? Obviously it's a good hand (since 3♣ was not forcing). It seems like it should show fitting cards (a club honor, etc) but I don't want to bid 3NT on my own for some reason. The logical explanation seems to be a hand with only one heart stopper but otherwise really nice working values, asking partner if he thinks his clubs will run opposite one honor in my hand without having to lose a trick to establish them. The intent then is that partner can bid 3NT with runnable clubs (say AKxxxx since we hold the queen) or punt 4♣ or 5♣ otherwise (and we may raise 4♣ to 5♣ given how good our hand is opposite partner's shortage in hearts).
So my vote if for 3♥, which seems like a perfect description of the hand.
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