[Cascade]

Scoring: IMP

Uncontested
1♠ 2♠
?

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Do you PASS, bid game or make some sort of game try?

[Jlall]

PASS seems horrible to me, we might make a GAME.

[pooltuna]

Cascade, on May 11 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Uncontested
1♠ 2♠
?

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Do you PASS, bid game or make some sort of game try?

probably a ♦ suit game try is your best shot

[gwnn]

I will try a simple-minded 4s bid.

[aguahombre]

gwnn, on May 11 2010, 05:05 PM, said:

I will try a simple-minded 4s bid.

Simple minded works for me...at imps, since that is what I am--4S.

At MP I think I would bid a simple minded 3 spades bar bid, and not give them another chance. Game is definitely possible, but for which side?

[bluecalm]

4♠.

I think it depends on how you play simple raise. I am used to playing sound raises. If it can be every 6hcp with 3♠ I think 3♦ is better.
If I am not vul or playing MP's I also choose 3♦.

[rogerclee]

I would bid 4S. For people who want to game try, my personal theory about this is that when it goes 1S P 2S P on this auction, and we have this kind of hand, partner is heavy and accepting your game try a huge percent of the time. By making a descriptive invite, all you are doing is helping the opponents.

[awm]

My theory is that partner is likely to have heart length given that neither opponent could find a call. Even if partner has a ten count, opponents have at most 4 spades and at least 19 hcp; it is strange they are passing. If partner has long hearts he probably has some wasted values there too. I'll go with a game try; short-suit in hearts if available or long-suit in diamonds otherwise. I'm not too worried about helping the defense with this call -- much more worried partner has five good hearts and little else.

[Cascade]

rogerclee, on May 12 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

I would bid 4S. For people who want to game try, my personal theory about this is that when it goes 1S P 2S P on this auction, and we have this kind of hand, partner is heavy and accepting your game try a huge percent of the time. By making a descriptive invite, all you are doing is helping the opponents.

I think that is a truism not just a personal theory.

a priori the probability of 8-9 hcp is much greater than 6-7 hcp. Our 11 hcp changes that a little but not much and the opponents' silence counters any affect probably to a greater extent.

[jdonn]

I make a game try because if partner rejects it I expect game to be bad. But I hope I can make the one where I ask with 2NT so partner describes his hand rather than me describing mine.

I think roger and adam are both right. Partner is more likely to be maximum than minimum but he is more likely to have values in hearts than elsewhere. So I won't try to be a genius and assume one thing or the other, I'll let him tell me what he has intead.

[jdonn]

Cascade, on May 11 2010, 07:36 PM, said:

rogerclee, on May 12 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

I would bid 4S. For people who want to game try, my personal theory about this is that when it goes 1S P 2S P on this auction, and we have this kind of hand, partner is heavy and accepting your game try a huge percent of the time. By making a descriptive invite, all you are doing is helping the opponents.

I think that is a truism not just a personal theory.

a priori the probability of 8-9 hcp is much greater than 6-7 hcp. Our 11 hcp changes that a little but not much and the opponents' silence counters any affect probably to a greater extent.

The theory isn't that partner is more likely to be maximum than minimum, that is a fact. The theory is that we are more likely to lose by inviting via helping the opponents defend the game we reach anyway than we are to gain by avoiding a bad game.

[Jlall]

I definitely prefer a game try to a game bid since partner's diamond holding is almost always vital to our contract, and the lead usually won't matter.

[Free]

Why go down in game if you can stop at 3-level when you suspect game will not make? Just try, preferably asking partner's strength.

[peachy]

4S. I would never Pass.