[H_KARLUK]

gwnn, on May 12 2010, 10:29 AM, said:

I asked you a question. Please answer.

Just a recommend : try to ask your questions without prejudice. Why I need to explain again the things i alread tried to show with full hands? Loaded questions are simple and ridiculous things.

I said just read whole posts then try to objective.

I guess this conversation outdated. Take care!

[gwnn]

'What exactly was your reasoning?' is a loaded question? How? I simply did not understand your reasoning. I still don't. Please explain. I read your posts but I don't understand what your reasoning is. I don't want to be mean to you but I don't understand. Please explain your reasoning because I do not understand what you are trying to say.

[H_KARLUK]

gwnn, on May 12 2010, 10:37 AM, said:

'What exactly was your reasoning?' is a loaded question? How? I simply did not understand your reasoning. I still don't. Please explain. I read your posts but I don't understand what your reasoning is. I don't want to be mean to you but I don't understand. Please explain your reasoning because I do not understand what you are trying to say.

Stop playing the God. I know it's very early but when the time came and you became a father you'll learn that you cannot even try to punish anybody when you disagree no matter in your family or neighbors or anywhere. That's a big big favor i recommended. Hope in th future you remember and appreciate me.

'What exactly was your reasoning? followed ill-conceived. i don't care you play th funny. Use it, cry, yell, he said 'th'.

Kid, while you are new trying to walk on those half-truth pavements i already travelled around the world.

Don't push!

[gwnn]

OK I asked you a simple question, I don't think I was 'playing the God'.

'ill-conceived' is not a bad word, it just means I did not think your example hands were very convincing. It is not a personal insult, since it qualified your example hands, not you. It is just my opinion.

I know I am younger than you and I am very happy that you have visited more countries than I have. But how is this relevant to my question? I just asked you to provide me your reasoning in a better form. I am not playing God, I am not doing monkey business, I am not pretending to be xpertz. I just asked you a question, I don't know why you think it is necessary to talk about my age or the number of countries I have visited. Suppose you went to 50 countries and you were 40 years old. I have visited, say, 20 and I am 22, does that mean I am not qualified enough? What would a 5 year old get who has only been to the next village?

[H_KARLUK]

gwnn, on May 12 2010, 10:57 AM, said:

OK I asked you a simple question, I don't think I was 'playing the God'.

'ill-conceived' is not a bad word, it just means I did not think your example hands were very convincing. It is not a personal insult, since it qualified your example hands, not you. It is just my opinion.

I know I am younger than you and I am very happy that you have visited more countries than I have. But how is this relevant to my question? I just asked you to provide me your reasoning in a better form. I am not playing God, I am not doing monkey business, I am not pretending to be xpertz. I just asked you a question, I don't know why you think it is necessary to talk about my age or the number of countries I have visited. Suppose you went to 50 countries and you were 40 years old. I have visited 20 and I am 22, does that mean I am not qualified enough? What would a 5 year old get who has only been to the next village?

Tragedy but who knows still there's a small hope.

How about to see your reasonings say you choose double instead of 2D?

Can you explain your reasonings and prove with sample hands if you seriously want to discuss tech matters ?

ps, Can you become a father in 12 y.o. when you've a 28 y.o. son? (you said suppose you're at 40 y.o. etc) . Allright, I am 55 y.o. and i started to think maybe i am at wrong address to read things about BRIDGE GAME, but not anymore about somebody's personal feelings, nonsense stuff. I thought you're good enough at Math and i remember encouraged you to go on that successfull way. What a surprise.

[Phil]

H_Karluk, I haven't posted much on this topic, but do you think that you are the only one on BBF that

1) is older than 24;
2) fathered children;
3) has already had a lot of life experiences?

This is a bridge forum. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, please stop offering unsolicited advice on manners, decorum and style. No one really cares.

If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, I would be interested to see your rationale for 2♦. And I would also be surprised if more than 3 in 10 qualified bridge (would a Grand LM fit this definition for you?) players choose your choice. I'll find five on the west coast and you find five on the east coast. I will give you their e-mail addresses and I will expect you to copy me on the transmittal. Many of us will eat crow if we are wrong, but I am willing to wager a Benjamin that I am right and the loser pays up in New Orleans at a BBF gathering. Sound fair?

As MikeH says, there's plenty to learn about on here. Many times, we have all gone down in flames defending a position that was undefensible. MikeH is doing this currently on the "would you allow the raise to 6" thread (haha JK ) and I have done this several times in the past two months alone.

If you want to engage people and accuse them of bad manners, then you're nothing more than a troll with an internet connection.

[655321]

[gwnn]

Why should I answer you if you don't answer me at all, instead you bring your age and how many countries you have visited into the discussion?

Anyway fair enough I guess the younger I am and the fewer children I have, the less questions I have the right to ignore.

Double for me promises 0-3 spades, 3-4 hearts, 3-5 diamonds, 3-5 clubs, with (about) 11+ hcp. I like making takeout doubles on hands with no spade wastage, even if they are relatively balanced. This is because even if I am balanced, the other people who are playing bridge in my company could be quite unbalanced. For example, from the left side we could have some unpleasant surprises, suppose he bids
2 spades
3 spades
4 spades
Now if partner knows that we will have tolerance for all three unbid suits, he will be able to compete and we will find good contracts.

2D for me promises a hand that is really interested in playing in diamonds. It may be 5 cards but only in exceptional cases, for example if I am relatively short in hearts, for example

xx
xx
AKJxx
AQxx.

I do not like bidding 2♦ on hands like this one because partner will only know about my diamonds and nothing else. This is in contrast with the other alternative, takeout double, which offers three strains to partner, partner will appreciate knowing that his 6 card club suit or 5 card heart suit has good support from us. Also, by bidding 2♦, partner will be rightly expecting 6 diamonds, sometimes we will not have it, but I would say it is about equally likely that we have 5 diamonds or 7. When we have the most balanced pattern possible with a 5 card suit, 5332 and all we say to partner is 'diamonds', it is not quite enough information to partner.

I am not a fan of full example hands. I think with 2 or 3 example hands you can prove anything. I hope you will forgive me for not providing any of them.

[H_KARLUK]

Phil, on May 12 2010, 11:10 AM, said:

H_Karluk, I haven't posted much on this topic, but do you think that you are the only one on BBF that

1) is older than 24;
2) fathered children;
3) has already had a lot of life experiences?

This is a bridge forum. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, please stop offering unsolicited advice on manners, decorum and style. No one really cares.

If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, I would be interested to see your rationale for 2♦. And I would also be surprised if more than 3 in 10 qualified bridge (would a Grand LM fit this definition for you?) players choose your choice. I'll find five on the west coast and you find five on the east coast. I will give you their e-mail addresses and I will expect you to copy me on the transmittal. Many of us will eat crow if we are wrong, but I am willing to wager a Benjamin that I am right and the loser pays up in New Orleans at a BBF gathering. Sound fair?

As MikeH says, there's plenty to learn about on here. Many times, we have all gone down in flames defending a position that was undefensible. MikeH is doing this currently on the "would you allow the raise to 6" thread (haha JK  ) and I have done this several times in the past two months alone. 

If you want to engage people and accuse them of bad manners, then you're nothing more than a troll with an internet connection.

Phil. don't question me, tell abt yrself.

You know what you can do anybody disagree with you can also do the same or much better/worst. No need to buy personal engagements. There's freedom of speech. If you like read, if you dislike ignore.

Just show me tech evidences, who cares personal ravings.

Be honest, have you ever seen any statement or approach about to boast " hey we teach you, we don't care that's unsolicited or not" on ACBL magazine or any serious and widely accepted WLM/WGM.

That's madness to judge opposition ideas with demagogy methods, mostly namecalling etc. Just tell your tech idea abt th problem, show your sample hand/s or diagram and forget th rest you agree or disagree.

What? Say you intend form 5 men team from this forum members thinks alike? Who cares? Just good luck!

[H_KARLUK]

gwnn, on May 12 2010, 11:19 AM, said:

Why should I answer you if you don't answer me at all, instead you bring your age and how many countries you have visited into the discussion?

Anyway fair enough I guess the younger I am and the fewer children I have, the less questions I have the right to ignore.

Double for me promises 0-3 spades, 3-4 hearts, 3-5 diamonds, 3-5 clubs, with (about) 11+ hcp.  I like making takeout doubles on hands with no spade wastage, even if they are relatively balanced. This is because even if I am balanced, the other people who are playing bridge in my company could be quite unbalanced. For example, from the left side we could have some unpleasant surprises, suppose he bids
2 spades
3 spades
4 spades
Now if partner knows that we will have tolerance for all three unbid suits, he will be able to compete and we will find good contracts.

2D for me promises a hand that is really interested in playing in diamonds. It may be 5 cards but only in exceptional cases, for example if I am relatively short in hearts, for example

xx
xx
AKJxx
AQxx.

I do not like bidding 2♦ on hands like this one because partner will only know about my diamonds and nothing else. This is in contrast with the other alternative, takeout double, which offers three strains to partner, partner will appreciate knowing that his 6 card club suit or 5 card heart suit has good support from us. Also, by bidding 2♦, partner will be rightly expecting 6 diamonds, sometimes we will not have it, but I would say it is about equally likely that we have 5 diamonds or 7. When we have the most balanced pattern possible with a 5 card suit, 5332 and all we say to partner is 'diamonds', it is not quite enough information to partner.

I am not a fan of full example hands. I think with 2 or 3 example hands you can prove anything. I hope you will forgive me for not providing any of them.

Allright, you can play in that way with your partner and who knows can be a winner when i play X exactly promises 4♥, X after new suit 17+.

Does it matters who'll win who'll lose? Even in a family still everybody is responsible about his/her life.

What? To be an old school member is a sin? THANKS GOD FINALLY You said your tech way , i said my tech way.

That's life, if you upset about everything and overreact you invite unwanted white hairs at an early age. Not worths, believe or not you lose but not anybody!

[hanp]

I would double.

Scoring: IMP

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[hanp]

H_KARLUK, on May 12 2010, 10:42 AM, said:

Does it matters who'll win who'll lose?

I can answer that with another quote:

mike777 said:

ok...

if winning....    does not matter then...


what are we discussing.... and why?

Agree with Mike.

[gwnn]

Fair enough but could you tell me what 'tech' means?

[H_KARLUK]

gwnn, on May 12 2010, 11:46 AM, said:

Fair enough but could you tell me what 'tech' means?

Tech = technical

[H_KARLUK]

hanp, on May 12 2010, 11:46 AM, said:

H_KARLUK, on May 12 2010, 10:42 AM, said:

Does it matters who'll win who'll lose?

I can answer that with another quote:

mike777 said:

ok...

if winning....    does not matter then...


what are we discussing.... and why?

Agree with Mike.

just curiosity, you discuss a lot and helps to win forever?

[Phil]

H_KARLUK, on May 12 2010, 10:27 AM, said:

Phil. don't question me, tell abt yrself.

Merhaba Hamdi, çünkü bana sorulduğunda, ben oldukça başarılı olan üç yetişkin çocukları var. Bu format okumak için kolaydır umuyoruz.

Eğer benim son posta anlamadı, ben 100 $ olmak isteyen hiçbir fazla üç Amerikan Grand LMS bu eli ile 2D üste konuşma değil inanıyorum. Kazanan New Orleans toplayacaktır.

Tamam mı?

[hanp]

I discuss bridge a lot, but giving poor contrived examples where a particular choice is bad is not very helpful I think.

[gwnn]

Iyi fikir Phil!

[H_KARLUK]

Phil, on May 12 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

H_KARLUK, on May 12 2010, 10:27 AM, said:

Phil. don't question me, tell abt yrself.

Merhaba Hamdi, çünkü bana sorulduğunda, ben oldukça başarılı olan üç yetişkin çocukları var. Bu format okumak için kolaydır umuyoruz.

Eğer benim son posta anlamadı, ben 100 $ olmak isteyen hiçbir fazla üç Amerikan Grand LMS bu eli ile 2D üste konuşma değil inanıyorum. Kazanan New Orleans toplayacaktır.

Tamam mı?

Hi Phil, nice try. In case you need better translation drop me a note. I am sorry but i don't care strangers even they are $ billionaries.

We'll see. You and I are free what to believe, right? I would prefer to take money in Poker/Blackjack. But that's another story.

If you believe your ideas are good enough why don't you try Cavendish? I guess there are much bets. You can buy your pair/team say minimum $12.500 and try your chance. Obviously $100 bet offer lesser than that amount.

Help yourself. Perhaps you bring people there who claps your idea/s. But that's not my problem. I may only enjoy to see how far you can go there Seems there's a tad worship to American GLMS and ignore rest of daily club players, have fun!

[mikeh]

Quote

As MikeH says, there's plenty to learn about on here. Many times, we have all gone down in flames defending a position that was undefensible. MikeH is doing this currently on the "would you allow the raise to 6" thread (haha JK  )

Aha! Read the thread again, you troll! (jk). My p.o.v. seems to be gaining support!

More seriously, I like your post, Phil. I tried to reason with karluk by a pm, but it is obvious that there is a conceptual gap at work here. I suspect that this may be reflected in his signature: those who profess absolute certainty seem rarely able to entertain conflicting ideas.

When a foo appears, here or in the WC, it is usually best to ignore them, since all attempts to engage them in discussion merely provoke more posts.


oh....since that's often my response to those who dare to disagree with me, maybe I'm a f......