[OleBerg]

Example:

1♦ - (1♠) - Pass - (Pass)
X - (Pass) - 1NT = Lebensohl

Any takers?

Why/Why not?

[gwnn]

natural 1NT comes up quite often. 3-7 hcp balancedish with a stoppish.

lebensohl 1NT has a low utility because when partner has 0-8 with some suit I think we will rarely have game and when opener really is so awesomely strong/distributional we will often have 3 level safety.

but this is just my 2 cents. it sounds like a kewl idea actually.

[helene_t]

If a direct 1NT is 8-10 then I want to bid a delayed 1NT with 6-7.

If a direct 1NT is 6-10 then I think I would rather play 1NT as scrambling with 4324.

Lebensohl would be nice with 8 points and 5 clubs but I think the other uses come up more frequently.

[straube]

Seems like you'd have a lot more use for 1N as Lebensohl after something like...

1S dbl P

Now you can differentiate strengths for three suits plus advancer's range is so much wider than in the balancing situation you mentioned.

[dake50]

Does reopening double suggest H-interest? So bringing the unbid Major into our auction.
If yes, then 1NT leben-ish to distinguish H-quits -immediate 2H; from H-values -1NT, then 2H? Some utility.
Or minor scramble? 2C forced (unless) finds C-quits; verses 2C, then 2D useful.
Loses 1NT grabitz value on balance-of-power partials.

I choose nat 1NT. A little hand, no suggestion where else to play.

[aguahombre]

The first pass was the Leben call.

[Phil]

aguahombre, on May 8 2010, 10:27 AM, said:

The first pass was the Leben call.

?

The way I play I could have 0 to about 11 here. Nothing Lebensohlish about that.

I think Ole's idea is reasonable.

In overcall structure, 1N is used as Lebensohl over some 1 level overcalls, but I don't play this aspect of it.

Another idea is to play transfers here after the double. This would keep the overcaller on lead. As long as you are willing to give up a natural 1N, this might be preferable.

[aguahombre]

Phil, on May 8 2010, 10:31 AM, said:

aguahombre, on May 8 2010, 10:27 AM, said:

The first pass was the Leben call.

?

The way I play I could have 0 to about 11 here. Nothing Lebensohlish about that.

Ok, so we each have showed different styles. Ours uses the neg double a bit more loosely, and we really avoid passing with a decent responding hand unless we are trapping. Hence, we don't find the need for another action to repeat our weakness.

I should have said, "My pass was the Leben call." Not to imply that others would or should do the same.

[Phil]

aguahombre, on May 8 2010, 12:04 PM, said:

Phil, on May 8 2010, 10:31 AM, said:

aguahombre, on May 8 2010, 10:27 AM, said:

The first pass was the Leben call.

?

The way I play I could have 0 to about 11 here. Nothing Lebensohlish about that.

Ok, so we each have showed different styles.

Do you play NFB's?

[Fluffy]

I sometimes play NFB's sometimes don't, but I very rarelly pass with more than 8 HCP, and those hands I guess can jump right ahead.

[the hog]

Playing scrambling makes more sense to me here.

[bluecalm]

1NT is not from the right side so I am happy to use it as artificial here.
If I don't plan NFB and 1♦ is 11-22 I would be happy with lebensohl.