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I thought it was obvious!

#1 User is offline   Little Kid 

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Posted 2010-May-07, 15:42

Scoring: IMP

(Pass)-1♥-(1♠)-?

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Posted 2010-May-07, 15:44

It is obvious. Raise!
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Posted 2010-May-07, 15:50

I disagree...it ain't obvious, at least not to me.

I pass.

LHO almost certainly isn't raising spades, and if partner can't reopen, I'm probably very happy. If he does reopen, I can bid hearts.

As for an immediate raise...this is not a hand on which I would like to hear partner jump to game or make a gametry....my spades are so bad that I can't stop the tap if there is one.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 15:54

Why don't you want partner to bid game? I would expect it to make, and in many cases a game we would miss if I pass and he reopens and I simply go to hearts.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 16:02

Agree - partner is almost certainly reopening and we can comfortably bid 2♥.

And if partner sits with Hxx of spades? I'm happy.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 16:11

I have an ace and 3 card support

and xxxxx in RHO's suit

weeeeeeeeee

raising feels good!!
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Posted 2010-May-07, 16:48

2♥.
Most people I know don't like this style and I would have to pass playing with them. I think raising with such hands is winning strategy though.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 17:35

:)
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Posted 2010-May-07, 17:36

I learn towards pass, with 10 losers and the knowledge the spade ruffs are hitting the long hand, but I certainly wouldn't call raising obviously wrong.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 17:37

wrong vulnerability, but I prefer to bid 3♥ than 2♥ with this crap hand, partner will know where we live better. With this vulnerability pass.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 18:16

Little Kid, on May 7 2010, 04:42 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(Pass)-1♥-(1♠)-?

IMO 2♥ = 10, _P = 7, 2♣ = 4, 2♦ = 2.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 18:23

2H, a mild overbid to possibly give LHO a problem or shut out their minor.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 18:51

I am a raiser.

Good things could happen (we make game or shut out the opponents) or bad things could happen (we get too high) but I don't think we should be overthinking this sort of hand, just raise because we have support and some values.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 20:11

2♥
OK
bed
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Posted 2010-May-07, 23:36

2♥. I have no wastage opposite partner's expected shortness, the ace is a good card, and I have some distribution even. This is not a problem to me.
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Posted 2010-May-07, 23:42

Obvious 2♥.
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Posted 2010-May-08, 04:31

I was good enough to raise to 2♥ had RHO passed so nothing has changed that. An Ace is better than a KJ or QQ, and I don't even have a 4333 so I have nothing to be ashamed about.
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Posted 2010-May-08, 08:59

Agree nigel.
Don't just analyze our hand -quite weak raise, but include opponents finding minor fit!
Essentially two ways to win: H-fit found + their minor missed.
Loose only if overbid 4H. Or rarely we set 5m now not found.
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Posted 2010-May-08, 09:22

Both sides of the debate give good reasoning. "Obvious" in the title, and "obvious" in anyone's contribution seems inappropriate. It is a damn good question, worthy of this forum.

I agree with all the arguments (except for 3H). "Obviously", whichever I choose will work out badly.
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Posted 2010-May-08, 11:10

I thought an ace and support made 2♥ automatic but maybe it is not as clear as I expected.
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