[pbleighton]

Playing SA or 2/1, is it ever appropriate to open a hand with a 5 card suit (and not in your NT range) one of a minor , i.e.

65432 - K9 - KJ83 - AK

Would you consider a 1D opening?

[Codo]

Hi,

make it 65432, 32,AKQJ, Ax

and the answer is the same:

NEVER

First: The game is designed around the majors, not the minors.
Second: If you have a fit with 23456 opps. 789.
You make zero tricks in this suit if it is not trump. The ops will make 3 tricks, if their cards break 3-2.
If you have the same suit, but it is trump, the opps still make their 3 tricks, but you two. This looks like a big gain to me.
And the chance, that you reach a fit with 8 or more cards wiithout HCPs is quite small.

So always aways always bid 1 Spade.

There is just one big different "school" out there: Bid 1 NT with f.e. 5332 and a weak major and the needed HCPs. It was always a big quarrel, whether it is better the one way or the other, but I guess that nowadays, it is a little more modern to bid 1 NT with f.e.
xxxxx,AKx,AQx,KJ or so...
But to bid 1 diamond with your hand is no good idea.

Kind Regards

[easy]

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Playing SA or 2/1, is it ever appropriate to open a hand with a 5 card suit (and not in your NT range) one of a minor , i.e.

65432 - K9 - KJ83 - AK

Would you consider a 1D opening?

LOL Good question.

If a gun was put to my head u couldnt talk me  into opening this hand 1S!! In my opinion that is a four card suit so i would open 1D.I have been in 4s down 1 with this hand type too many times when 3nt was the correct strain. I will gladly play spades if over my 1d opening pard bids spades or i rebid 1s and am raised by pard.

I'm sure this answer will cause a little controversy but....... such is life.

Good luck and keep asking good questions like this. It shows you r thinking the rite thoughts

[the hog]

Open this hand with 1D and you will never recover in the bidding. If this falls in the NT range, I'd open 1NT else 1S.

[inquiry]

I agree with Roland on this, SPADE - 65432 looks like a four card suit to me.

Ben

[the hog]

Ben, how are you going to get to 4S opposite
AKx xx AQxx xxxx ?
You can probably invent some sort of sequence, but it will be tortuous at best.

[inquiry]

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Ben, how are you going to get to 4S opposite
AKx xx AQxx xxxx ?
You can probably invent some sort of sequence, but it will be tortuous at best.

I have to admit that I might end up in one of three different game contracts.. 3NT by me, 5D by me, or 4S by me. In simple 2/1 the bidding would be....

1D-2D            inverted minor
2S-?

Now it all depends upon partners bid. If he raises Spades because he has 13 and no stopper in either side suit, I get to 4S. If he bids 3D for the same for the same reason, I most likely to bid 3NT with my hand. If partner pulls 3NT, I have to admit that it is 5D that we get to.

The problem with 1S with this hand is an auction like

1S-1N
2x-2S

Playing in a 5-2 fit this suit will not be a good contract. Second, if you fail to buy the contract do you really want your partner to lead a SPADE? In the long run, we each have to decide what our bidding style is. I open five card majors, but this doesn't look like five cards to my old eyes.

Ben

[dreptak]

I agree with Codo on this.
Correctly bid is 1S and only !S
but if you have 5 cards in C and 4 cards in D and no more than 16TP your correctly bid is one D