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Polish 2/1? Hybrid System
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Posted 2010-April-22, 09:45
What do you folks think about combining Polish Club 1♣, 1♦ and 2♣ openings with a modern 2/1 response structure to 1♥/1♠ (e.g. 1NT semiforcing, 2♣ bal. GF, GF with clubs or invitational with 3-support)? It seems to me you wouldn't even have the problems that Gazilli/Ritong are designed to solve.
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Posted 2010-April-22, 11:01
Playing polish club with 2/1gf structure is the most standard way to play polish club in Poland 
While you don't need Gazilli I find classical polish club 12-17 range a bit awkward to deal with in sequences when opener makes non forcing rebid (ex: 1D - 1S - 2C, 1S - 1NT - 2C etc.)
Maybe it's small difference but if you play gazilli you normaly have 17-21 in 2♣. You also put very good 16's there. In polish club this range is wider. It's the system I am most familiar with and given the choice I would much prefer to play either precision style (11-15openings) or "standard" 11-22 openings (with gazilli of course)
While you don't need Gazilli I find classical polish club 12-17 range a bit awkward to deal with in sequences when opener makes non forcing rebid (ex: 1D - 1S - 2C, 1S - 1NT - 2C etc.)
Maybe it's small difference but if you play gazilli you normaly have 17-21 in 2♣. You also put very good 16's there. In polish club this range is wider. It's the system I am most familiar with and given the choice I would much prefer to play either precision style (11-15openings) or "standard" 11-22 openings (with gazilli of course)
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Posted 2010-April-22, 11:36
bluecalm, on Apr 22 2010, 06:01 PM, said:
While you don't need Gazilli I find classical polish club 12-17 range a bit awkward to deal with in sequences when opener makes non forcing rebid (ex: 1D - 1S - 2C, 1S - 1NT - 2C etc.)
Well, I guess it depends what opener's reverse shows. In WJ05 opener's rebid of 3m promises at least 5-5. So with a maximum 5431 opener will need to rebid 2m and I guess this is where a lot of the awkwardness comes from.
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Posted 2010-April-22, 11:40
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maximum 5431 opener will need to rebid 2m and I guess this is where a lot of the awkwardness comes from.
Yes that's what I mean.
There are other problems like need for sound action of responder (because you are in danger of opener jumping to 3 of his suit, to 2NT or even to game, which he will do with most hand in 15-17range which are not suitable for 2m rebid) but I guess they are not on topic of this post.
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Posted 2010-April-23, 02:21
I would still play Gazzilli, but with 15-17 hands...
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Posted 2010-April-23, 02:30
I play polish club with 2/1 and forcing NT and am happy about this. Also use Gazilli with most partners allowing 1M-1NT-3x to show 5-5 and beeing non forcing.
There are enough hands in polish club that open 1M and are GF ip partner finds a constructive bid, so having a way to show strength fast is still nice in Polish club.
Opener rebidding 2 clubs on 5332 after 1S-1NT also fits well into ploish bidding style to bid Clubs when no other bid is available => 2D/H shows 4+
There are enough hands in polish club that open 1M and are GF ip partner finds a constructive bid, so having a way to show strength fast is still nice in Polish club.
Opener rebidding 2 clubs on 5332 after 1S-1NT also fits well into ploish bidding style to bid Clubs when no other bid is available => 2D/H shows 4+
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