[paulhar]

1NT P 2H P
?

2H is a transfer to spades. What would you show if you now bid 3D instead of 2S?

[hanp]

Something or does not exist.

It depends on your agreement.

[jdonn]

Some people play things like it shows a doubleton diamond. I think this sort of information is (far) more likely to be helpful to the opponents rather than partner so I prefer 3♥ to be my only super accept.

[ArtK78]

EDIT: 4 spades, maximum, useful doubleton diamond (xx, Ax or Kx).

The poll choices all seem to assume that hearts is trump. That threw me off.

[manudude03]

Something's not right in this topic, either the poll is wrong and it's meant to be all spades or the OP is wrong.

Anyway, I prefer to play it as 4 card support, max and diamond concentration.

[ONEferBRID]

paulhar, on Mar 19 2010, 02:38 PM, said:

1NT P 2H P
?

2H is a transfer to spades.  What would you show if you now bid 3D instead of 2S?

3D! = 4 cards Sp, max NT, and worthless doubleton Diam.

[paulhar]

You are right - all the answers are supposed to be SPADES. I'm not sure how to edit the poll answers.

[EricK]

jdonn, on Mar 19 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

Some people play things like it shows a doubleton diamond. I think this sort of information is (far) more likely to be helpful to the opponents rather than partner so I prefer 3♥ to be my only super accept.

I agree with you that the information is more likely to help the opps. But do you really mean that 3♥ is your only super accept?

After 1NT 2♥, it makes more sense for 2NT to be the only super accept - to give partner maximum room just in case he wants more info, and to allow him room to re-transfer if he has nothing.

Similarly after 1NT 2♦, 2♠ seems the most useful bid to use as a superaccept if you are only going to use a single bid.

[jjbrr]

That poll is tl;dr.

3m should be 4 trumps, max, and whatever else you want. worthless doubleton, useful doubleton, values, something else, whatever. Don't split hairs over this imo.

[hanp]

If you don't want to give information, then just bid 2S I would think. This leaves plenty of room for partner to make all kinds of slam tries. Jumping to 3H seems like a waste of space. Sure, they can't double 2S but that doesn't seem enough reason.

[kfay]

A partner of mine actually had a pretty good writeup where the only superaccept was 2M+1

Now responder can relay to show shortness (maybe something else too? I can't remember), which seemed like an alright idea to me.

[gnasher]

I agree with Josh about the inadvisedness of voluntarily disclosing information about a side suit. Showing a doubleton seems especially foolish.

I also agree with EricK about keeping the bidding low, except that because I break most of the time that I have 4-card support I prefer to split the range.

The only distributional feature that I think worth showing is a singleton, because that can mean the difference between game and slam. If it's a game hand, though, I don't see any reason to say where the singleton is. So:

1NT-2♥; 2NT = minimum with 4-card support
1NT-2♥; 3♣ = maximum with 4-card support
1NT-2♥; 3♦ = 4-card support, singleton somewhere

[jjbrr]

Is it legal to play a convention that allows you to uncover a singleton in the NT opener's hand (at least in the US)?

[kfay]

jjbrr, on Mar 19 2010, 05:08 PM, said:

Is it legal to play a convention that allows you to uncover a singleton in the NT opener's hand (at least in the US)?

I mean responder shows shortness. Although now I can't remember how it worked....

I think like:

1NT-2♥
2NT asks - bananas

[kenrexford]

Well, you missed the one option that I actually play. (And, it's somewhat strange that few even seem to consider this possibility.)

I play 3♦ as a 5-card super-accept.

I mean, you are allowed to have a five-card majpr, and partner is allowed to transfer into that suit. It does happen, albeit rarely.

[gnasher]

jjbrr, on Mar 19 2010, 11:08 PM, said:

Is it legal to play a convention that allows you to uncover a singleton in the NT opener's hand (at least in the US)?

Never mind uncovering the singleton, are you even allowed to agree to open 1NT with a singleton? And if not, how come I've seen so many posts from ACBL members recommending exactly that?

In the EBU, where I play most of my bridge, both having a singleton and showing it are permitted.

[gnasher]

kenrexford, on Mar 20 2010, 12:19 AM, said:

Well, you missed the one option that I actually play. (And, it's somewhat strange that few even seem to consider this possibility.)

I'd have thought that you'd be used to that by now.

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I play 3♦ as a 5-card super-accept.

I mean, you are allowed to have a five-card majpr, and partner is allowed to transfer into that suit.  It does happen, albeit rarely.

Do you find it particularly helpful to know fo a 10-card fit rather than a 9-card fit?

[Siegmund]

My preference is to either not play superaccepts or have the cheapest-bid-past-completion as the only superaccept, leaving room for responder to continue sensibly onward. Playing a leap all the way to 3M as your only super is awfully wasteful.

With a strong pickup partner without discussion, I would expect 3D to be max, 4-card support, doubleton diamond (that's how I answered the poll), but I have seen people take very liberal interpretations of "max" and do it with just about every hand with 4-card support and a doubleton.

[dake50]

How about a particular control structure?
Have 2M+1 as catchall,
3C as one control case (say C-1st +oM-2nd+);
3D as second control case (D-1st +oM-2nd+);
3H as third case (say minors 1st +2nd+)

[aguahombre]

Obviously Anyone who would bid other than 2S does not play Walsh relays, where the responder might not even have a heart suit.

Even if that isn't possible, still get out of partner's way and just bid 2S --showing slightly better than 17 in support of hearts.....or don't super accept at all with other hands. 3S is just plain silly, since responder could be broke.