[quiddity]

goobers, on Mar 24 2010, 05:14 PM, said:

Advancer's hand should be 2=3=4=4... I don't have the hand records, but I'm pretty sure we had

T9xx AKJxx x Axx
opp
xx xxx QJxx Kxxx

lol. The spot cards were a subtle clue that I'm holding the hand record. It's board 9 from Thursday night. Advancer was 3=3=4=3.

[lamford]

If this was in the laws and rulings section, it would be moved to simple rulings. It does not belong in this section either, as I cannot see anyone bidding other than 2H.

[lamford]

goobers, on Mar 24 2010, 03:26 PM, said:

If memory serves, it was xxxx AKJxx x Axx.

I held the advancing hand and also raised, thinking to myself "I shouldn't be raising."

If I held the overcalling hand, I would be thinking to myself I shouldn't be bidding 3H, especially if there were men in white coats around.

[lamford]

gwnn, on Mar 22 2010, 05:57 PM, said:

well looks like it was hard to get a + on this deal anyway methinks?

No it wasn't; it was completely trivial to do so by the normal pass of 3D. And are we 2-3-4-4, as I assume from the OP, or 3-3-4-3 as it seems from a later post - there is a big difference?

[lamford]

gnasher, on Mar 19 2010, 07:06 PM, said:

At the table I'd bid 2♥ without thought. Maybe it merits a little thought, but it's still right to bid 2♥.

If you pass in this sort of auction, you allow them easy, informative sequences like

  dbl-pass-1♠

  dbl-pass-2♣

  1♠-pass-2♦

Bidding 2♥ immediately makes it more dangerous for LHO to bid, and if he does bid it makes it harder for them to agree on strain and level.

The downside of raising is that partner may bid too much, but is that really a big risk? We have a doubleton and a king, and even if our diamonds are under the AK, they may still be useful as protection against being forced.

The way to make my diamond holding really useful is to get them to play 3♦. The way to do that is to bid 2♥ now.

I regret not seeing your post before replying, as I would not have added anything except that partner will expect one of the reasons you raise will be to push them into a beatable 3D, so why should he bid too much?

[the hog]

quiddity, on Mar 25 2010, 04:16 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

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Thanks Quiddity.
Well, in my book that is not a 3H bid. You are bidding your values twice. I don't think you can blame the 2H bidder for this.

[lamford]

The_Hog, on Mar 24 2010, 07:19 PM, said:

Well, in my book that is not a 3H bid. You are bidding your values twice. I don't think you can blame the 2H bidder for this.

I would blame the opening poster for not getting the hand right.

[the hog]

lamford, on Mar 25 2010, 07:32 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 24 2010, 07:19 PM, said:

Well, in my book that is not a 3H bid. You are bidding your values twice. I don't think you can blame the 2H bidder for this.

I would blame the opening poster for not getting the hand right.

Fair comment. I just noticed the 4333 shape. With that hand I wouldn't raise to 2H either. This is a lot worse than having a doubleton in Spades.