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Poll: What do you do? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you do?

  1. Pass (22 votes [59.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.46%

  2. 3 spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 3N (11 votes [29.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.73%

  4. 4 clubs (4 votes [10.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

  5. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2010-March-07, 20:36

Scoring: MP

(P)-P-(3♦)-X,
(P)-?


Matchpoints. What is your call?
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Posted 2010-March-07, 20:39

pass, auto
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:11

easiest pass ever
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:43

rogerclee, on Mar 7 2010, 09:39 PM, said:

pass, auto

ditto yet again.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:59

I'd likely pass R/W at IMPs rather than gamble 3NT, so here at MP W/W this is auto-pass.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 23:39

No one is bothered by the fact that you have 1 trick on defense, along with maybe some helping quacks for partner? Well, obviously not, since you're all passing pretty quickly, maybe this isn't the problem I thought it was.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 00:06

CSGibson, on Mar 8 2010, 05:39 AM, said:

No one is bothered by the fact that you have 1 trick on defense, along with maybe some helping quacks for partner? Well, obviously not, since you're all passing pretty quickly, maybe this isn't the problem I thought it was.

Well, that thought did cross my mind when I looked at this - we have one trick in the form of the diamond ace - that the opening bidder already knew wasn't in his hand - and some quacks.

However, I don't think bidding anything looks very attractive either. True they might make the doubled contract - which IMO is more of a consideration if it is IMPs - or we might make something - but on balance gut feel is that we're more likely looking at a plus by passing.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 04:30

4♣ by me. I got the feeling pard doubled with a min 4414, so passing here seems rather dangerous...
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Posted 2010-March-08, 04:54

I wouldn't bid 4♣ - if partner doesn't have four, it will be horrible; if he does have four it will stll be problematic, given all the small diamonds I have to deal with; and even if it makes it may not be a particualrly good score.

If I did bid, it would be 3NT. That may make if LHO has no side entry.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 06:04

I do not think this is any auto pass at all, in fact would bid 4C. This is a 3rd seat 3D which can be any hand kind of, and my defensive options do not look so awesome. Mind you this is also true of the offensive potential. Is my 8D going to offer me some uppercut, I think not. Passing means I need to find a great lead and I may have only 1 chance to push a card through dummy. If partner holds C length defending is even worse. Offensively I have the lead giving me an opportunity to develop some source of tricks. 130 is still better than 100 and if I am scoring 300 from this double I can say sorry.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 06:10

mcphee, on Mar 8 2010, 01:04 PM, said:

I do not think this is any auto pass at all, in fact would bid 4C. This is a 3rd seat 3D which can be any hand kind of, and my defensive options do not look so awesome. Mind you this is also true of the offensive potential. Is my 8D going to offer me some uppercut, I think not. Passing means I need to find a great lead and I may have only 1 chance to push a card through dummy. If partner holds C length defending is even worse. Offensively I have the lead giving me an opportunity to develop some source of tricks. 130 is still better than 100 and if I am scoring 300 from this double I can say sorry.

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Posted 2010-March-08, 06:11

Agree with Clee.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 08:18

gnasher, on Mar 8 2010, 10:54 AM, said:

I wouldn't bid 4♣ - if partner doesn't have four, it will be horrible; if he does have four it will stll be problematic, given all the small diamonds I have to deal with; and even if it makes it may not be a particualrly good score.

If I did bid, it would be 3NT.  That may make if LHO has no side entry.

Yes. But pard has short diamonds, so he's likely to be 4441 or 5431. 4♣ rates to be good opposite all those shapes except, of course, 5413/4513.

Also, having short diamonds, pard is more likely to have doubled on marginal values, say 11-12 hcp, in which case all it takes for opener to make 3♦X is finding dummy with a simple AQ/A.

Anyway, this is clearly one of those post-preempt situations where it's better be lucky than good :rolleyes:
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Posted 2010-March-08, 08:31

whereagles, on Mar 8 2010, 05:30 AM, said:

4♣ by me. I got the feeling pard doubled with a min 4414, so passing here seems rather dangerous...

partner shouldn't be using a mininal 4414 X of 1♦ to whack 3♦
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Posted 2010-March-08, 10:56

Against a real bridge player its a pass, but against a rock who would always have 7♦ for a 3♦ bid I think 3NT is better.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 11:12

Pass seems like the most likely plus score. I do not wish to play in a 3-3 ♠ fit or a 4-3 ♣ fit. Taking 5 tricks in ♦ seems considerably more likely than taking 9 tricks in NT.

Pass is auto only in the sense that all the other alternatives are downright awful. Pass is still ugly.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 13:55

pooltuna, on Mar 8 2010, 02:31 PM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 8 2010, 05:30 AM, said:

4♣ by me. I got the feeling pard doubled with a min 4414, so passing here seems rather dangerous...

partner shouldn't be using a mininal 4414 X of 1♦ to whack 3♦

Disagree. Dbl is mandatory with 4414 and 11 hcp.

Just my opinion, but oh well.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 14:38

whereagles, on Mar 8 2010, 02:55 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Mar 8 2010, 02:31 PM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 8 2010, 05:30 AM, said:

4♣ by me. I got the feeling pard doubled with a min 4414, so passing here seems rather dangerous...

partner shouldn't be using a mininal 4414 X of 1♦ to whack 3♦

Disagree. Dbl is mandatory with 4414 and 11 hcp.

Just my opinion, but oh well.

Opposite a passed hand? Not so mandatory.
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Posted 2010-March-08, 17:43

Not so mandatory? Agree. But possible? Definitely.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 06:09

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