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(2D!) - ??
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
Edit: Eric Rodwell overcalled 2S ( see my later reply ).
Multi-2D! ( Weak only ) weak 2H or 2S
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Posted 2010-March-09, 18:47
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Posted 2010-March-09, 20:43
I pass, WTP? It's a weak preempt, and I probably have a worse hand then they do, why would I bid now?
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Posted 2010-March-09, 22:17
CSGibson, on Mar 9 2010, 08:43 PM, said:
I pass, WTP? It's a weak preempt, and I probably have a worse hand then they do, why would I bid now?
ROFL
I'd pass a 2♥ opener so why wouldn't I pass now.Easiest pass ever posted here.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 23:26
This problem does not belong in the A/E forum.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 23:49
Maybe we are supposed to jump to 4♥ so LHO with a good hand and 3-3 majors bids 4♠ expecting his partner to have spades. But I'd want better spades for that since I may have to play 4♠ if it goes wrong. Ideally partner would have passed already as well.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 02:18
nigel_k, on Mar 10 2010, 12:49 AM, said:
Maybe we are supposed to jump to 4♥ so LHO with a good hand and 3-3 majors bids 4♠ expecting his partner to have spades.
Even if this "works" and LHO does bid 4♠, I think pd is likely to bid 5♥
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Posted 2010-March-10, 02:40
Many bidding problems depend on vulnerability, but not this one. Why not post a poll in an attempt to get a completely unanimous vote for Pass?
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Posted 2010-March-10, 03:08
pass but im not ashamed to admit that I will probably come in later:) ♥6421
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 03:11
I played just one hand in the last few years where multi was opened on my right. I overcalled on a very light hand (not this light) with 6 spades 2♠. LHO doubled as P/C, RHO's suit was spades and I went for (luckily just) 800.
At the other table my teammate passed on RHO's hand, my hand opened multi, over the 2♥ P/C response my teammate bid 2♠, that got doubled and also went for 800.
My track record against multi for the last few years is therefore quite bad. I'm not overcalling here!
At the other table my teammate passed on RHO's hand, my hand opened multi, over the 2♥ P/C response my teammate bid 2♠, that got doubled and also went for 800.
My track record against multi for the last few years is therefore quite bad. I'm not overcalling here!
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Posted 2010-March-10, 03:36
Pass wtp?
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 05:13
"Right, I open 2♠"
"Oh you have already bid 2♦?"
"Oh you have already bid 2♦?"
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Posted 2010-March-10, 07:46
ONEferBRID, on Mar 9 2010, 07:47 PM, said:
(2D!) - ??
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt.
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2010-March-10, 08:26
pooltuna, on Mar 10 2010, 04:46 PM, said:
ONEferBRID, on Mar 9 2010, 07:47 PM, said:
(2D!) - ??
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt.
????
I had always understood that this expression described the definition of jump overcalls after preemptive openings.
Consider the following two auction
(1♦) - 2♠
(2♦) - 3♠
In the first auction, the jump overcall shows a preemptive hand.
In the second auction, the jump overcall shows a strong hand.
Alderaan delenda est
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Posted 2010-March-10, 09:01
hrothgar, on Mar 10 2010, 09:26 AM, said:
pooltuna, on Mar 10 2010, 04:46 PM, said:
ONEferBRID, on Mar 9 2010, 07:47 PM, said:
(2D!) - ??
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt.
????
I had always understood that this expression described the definition of jump overcalls after preemptive openings.
Consider the following two auction
(1♦) - 2♠
(2♦) - 3♠
In the first auction, the jump overcall shows a preemptive hand.
In the second auction, the jump overcall shows a strong hand.
so WTP in the last auction (2♦) 3♠ you are prevented by agreements from holding the OP's hand or equivalent. What I am saying is you should not even dream of making a 2♠ call with the hand.
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2010-March-10, 09:07
pooltuna, on Mar 10 2010, 06:01 PM, said:
hrothgar, on Mar 10 2010, 09:26 AM, said:
pooltuna, on Mar 10 2010, 04:46 PM, said:
ONEferBRID, on Mar 9 2010, 07:47 PM, said:
(2D!) - ??
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.
What action do you take ? :
Q 9 8 6 x x
x
x x
K 8 x x
I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt.
????
I had always understood that this expression described the definition of jump overcalls after preemptive openings.
Consider the following two auction
(1♦) - 2♠
(2♦) - 3♠
In the first auction, the jump overcall shows a preemptive hand.
In the second auction, the jump overcall shows a strong hand.
so WTP in the last auction (2♦) 3♠ you are prevented by agreements from holding the OP's hand or equivalent. What I am saying is you should not even dream of making a 2♠ call with the hand.
There is a parallel thread going on about the correct course of action when someone states something you believe to be is factually incorrect.
It is my understanding that the expression "You don't preempt over a preempt" has a fairly specific meaning and said meaning has nothing to do with the strength requirements for direct overcalls.
Alderaan delenda est
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Posted 2010-March-10, 09:09
please don't bid 2♠ or 2 anything else for that matter with this hand.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 09:10
Well, my thought initially was the same as the replies here when I first saw the hand... and that was to pass.
But that was not the case with a distiguished pair.
You are right, Art, this pair needs a "Meckwell"category all by itself.
2♠ was overcalled by none other than Eric Rodwell.
The deal, from a national team championship a number of years ago, was reprinted in a recent newspaper column.
(2D!) - 2S - (3C) - pass
pass - 3S - ( p ) - 4S
all pass
Jeff Meckstroth held:
A x x
Q T x
A K Q J T
9 x
Edit: The hand made by keeping the 2D! bidder (who's partner held the stiff ♠K and the ♣ A Q J x x ) off lead !
But that was not the case with a distiguished pair.
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This problem does not belong in the A/E forum.
You are right, Art, this pair needs a "Meckwell"category all by itself.
2♠ was overcalled by none other than Eric Rodwell.
The deal, from a national team championship a number of years ago, was reprinted in a recent newspaper column.
(2D!) - 2S - (3C) - pass
pass - 3S - ( p ) - 4S
all pass
Jeff Meckstroth held:
A x x
Q T x
A K Q J T
9 x
Edit: The hand made by keeping the 2D! bidder (who's partner held the stiff ♠K and the ♣ A Q J x x ) off lead !
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Posted 2010-March-10, 09:20
Something about this story does not make sense. Meck passed a 16 count with Axx in support of partner? Eric then bid THREE SPADES?
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Posted 2010-March-10, 09:29
This just cannot be right.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 09:51
Tannah-Hirsch Bridge Column from 3/3/2010.....( Fort Worth Star Telegram ).
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