[dellache]

Scoring: IMP

Pass Pass 1♦ YourBid

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Why or why not ?

[jdonn]

Obbbbbbbvious 1♥. If you want to double, well it looks weird but will probably be ok. If you bid michaels I will laugh at you but we will move on with life after that. But don't pass or you will give me apoplexy, ty.

[whereagles]

obvious 2♦ michaels.

just cuz

[jjbrr]

1♥ all day

[kayin801]

If I were a passed hand I would X (just my style) but I want a bit more chunk to X unpassed, so I like 1♥.

[kenrexford]

I'd bid 1♥. Close to a pass though. But, with a STRETCH 7-loser hand, and GREAT pattern, just enough to bid.

[gwnn]

oui, 1♥ certainement

[Siegmund]

With 4-5-1-3, not playing any methods to show 4-5s, I tend to start with a double. But I certainly wouldn't criticize anyone who wanted to bid 1♥.

[akhare]

1N for takeout rules at this vul ..

[CSGibson]

akhare, on Mar 9 2010, 07:19 PM, said:

1N for takeout rules at this vul  ..

Edit: I am not a fan of 1N for takeout period, much less after a 3rd seat opener just in front of you. It preempts opponents slightly, I guess, but in suits that you were prepared to bid yourself, and you leave yourself much more open to penalty Xs because you can't get out at the 1 level. This is besides the fact that you now have problems with a 15-18 balanced hand (I suppose that's now X, but still...)

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I dont bid 1H.

I would either bid 2D or make a T/O X, depends basically on partnership
agreement.
If I cant, than it would be either Pass or bid 1S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

No.

The bid takes away no bidding space.
The bid does cry for a lead we do not want.
We are minimum.

So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts?

Too small targets.

Double or pass. I would double. This is slightly below my normal minimum strength, but the great shape makes up for it. And partner is a passed hand, he won'T jump to game quickly.

[diana_eva]

x or pass, depends a LOT on whom i am playing with. but none of my regulars would digest 1h well

[gwnn]

Codo, on Mar 10 2010, 07:44 AM, said:

So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts?

Too small targets.

For example, to play 2H instead of defending 2D. I mean of course some bad things might happen if you bid 1H but don't you think you overstate your case? It's fine if you think x will work better I guess but at least acknowledge that 1♥ wins over x whenever we have a 5-3 heart fit and it loses only rarely if we have a 4-4 spade fit. Also an overcall does not misrepresent our strength quite as much as a takeout double.

[OleBerg]

Codo, on Mar 10 2010, 09:44 AM, said:

No.

The bid takes away no bidding space.

But parners raise might.

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The bid does cry for a lead we do not want.

I would certainly lead a heart vs NT, and I would often want partner to lead one, even from Kx.

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We are minimum.

So what? We bid when we are minimum, we pass when we are below minimum.

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So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts?

Apart from the abovementioned:
- It might be our hand.
- We might push the opponents to high, battling for the partscore.

Classic arguments, classic counterarguments.

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Too small targets.

Obviously debateable.

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Double or pass. I would double. This is slightly below my normal minimum strength, but the great shape makes up for it. And partner is a passed hand, he won'T jump to game quickly.

Better than pass, but still along way from my choice.

[jdonn]

I like that there are lots of arguments against the overcall and then double is chosen, with no mention of arguments against doubling on a 9 count with a 5 card major.

Anyway I've stopped getting into these arguments about all the disadvantages of these overcalls. They work in practice. People bid much worse when their opponents are bidding too, that's simply a fact.

[OleBerg]

diana_eva, on Mar 10 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

x or pass, depends a LOT on whom i am playing with. but none of my regulars would digest 1h well

Are they experts?

[the hog]

Either 1H or x is ok for me. Lol at pass.

[Codo]

gwnn, on Mar 10 2010, 05:37 PM, said:

For example, to play 2H instead of defending 2D. I mean of course some bad things might happen if you bid 1H but don't you think you overstate your case? It's fine if you think x will work better I guess but at least acknowledge that 1♥ wins over x whenever we have a 5-3 heart fit and it loses only rarely if we have a 4-4 spade fit. Also an overcall does not misrepresent our strength quite as much as a takeout double.

Of course bidding 1 Heart has many upsides too, so has passing or bidding 1 ♠.

I just like to state the reasons why I have an opinion instead of just stating an opinion.

I have no idea how you will find your spade fit after 1 Heart and I have no idea why you think double misinterprets the strength even more then an overcall.
For me this would be no typicall overcall nor a typical double- and no typical pass either.

I do not know your style, or the typical expert style, mine is to overcall on marginal hands with good suits. So this hand won't qualify for me, but taste differs.

[dake50]

Over 1m, I have a bid for just this hand 2H = 4+S, 5+H, less than good 13hcp.