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#1 User is offline   sheilafran 

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Posted 2010-March-09, 09:53

the bidding goes


1c double pass 1h

1s 2h.... how many points should this be


Yes I want to know how many points the original doubler must have to now bid 2hearts.. does it show an opening hand or does it show 16+ points
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Posted 2010-March-09, 10:36

(1♣)-X-(P)-1♥-
(1♠)-2♥*

*How many points does the 2♥ bid imply?

Is this what you are trying to ask?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 10:43

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Posted 2010-March-09, 10:46

Bobby Wolff discussed this in his bridge column yesterday I believe. His view was that if opener passes, then the raise is game invitational (so shows more than a minimum takeout double). If opener doubles or bids, then the raise to the 2-level is merely competitive and shows 4-card support, but does not promise more than a minimum takeout double.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 13:35

Here is the most recent instalment in this series:

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=36501
http://bridgethoughts.blogspot.com
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Posted 2010-March-09, 13:44

In old-fashioned standard bidding you were assumed to have already shown an opening bid with support, so a raise showed extras - around 16 HCP at least. This was true in competition as well.

Over the years that has changed (along with the hands that many will make takeout doubles on). Many still play that a raise without competition shows extras, but few play that in competition. Personally, I have an agreement with many partners that a raise in or out of competition after making a takeout double promises 4 card support without extras, and the failure to raise denies 4 card support. To show extras, I need to cue bid or jump raise (depending on the hand type).
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Posted 2010-March-09, 13:47

agree to bobby wolff ^^
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Posted 2010-March-09, 14:34

Shows four card support, period.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 15:06

The argument for xtra values is based on not bidding the same values twice and I agree with it so for me 2♥ shows xtras
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Posted 2010-March-09, 15:11

this is not the same auction but:

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=32319
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Posted 2010-March-09, 16:27

whereagles, on Mar 9 2010, 01:47 PM, said:

agree to bobby wolff ^^

Me also and this is the modern way.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 16:46

For me
- in competition, it shows 4-card hearts
- without competition, it shows 4-card hearts and extras (in HCP or playing strength, either is fine) but the raise is still invitational, not forcing.

Many kind of agreements exist and can be made.
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