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Another vote for 2NT scrambling. It's a clear meaning in one of my partnerships and would probably get a puzzled look in my other one where we play a lot more natural bidding. 2NT natural isn't the worst thing in the world here either though.
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Posted 2010-March-09, 10:48
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Posted 2010-March-09, 11:13
jdonn, on Mar 9 2010, 09:27 AM, said:
Why can't partner have 4 hearts? He could definitely bid this way with 4 hearts, a negative double becomes less automatic the better your hand becomes, and our heart holding also leaves the possibility that if he has 4 hearts they are bad so he would be more likely to start 2♣ with longer clubs.
I really got confused by this. Am I missing a clue from the Precision context?
Partner with 4 hearts, longer clubs and merely f1 strength would neg double.
With 4 hearts, longer clubs and more strength, she would bid clubs, then hearts --suit quality not particularly a factor.
Therefore Partner does not have 4 hearts and we are back to the suggested 2 3 3 5, which leads to a 3D bid now. 2NT would be a scramble, but this hand -- in light of the double, does not want to use it. Here, the 2NT scramble should be content to play 2NT if partner elects to pass it.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2010-March-09, 11:34
I don't think partner has to bid 3♥ now with every 2425 game-force. It's reasonable to double, planning to bid 3♥ on the next round (which is, to me, obviously forcing).
That has two advantages: he can find out more about our hand, and it allows us to pass the double if that's what we want to do.
That has two advantages: he can find out more about our hand, and it allows us to pass the double if that's what we want to do.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-March-09, 13:02
If pard bids 2♣ with 4 side hearts, he'd better have in mind what to do if it comes round to him in 3 or 4♠.........
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Posted 2010-March-09, 13:10
Yes if partner is 3415 or 2425 he might start 2♣ then double on the next round. In fact with those shapes if I didn't start with double I would definitely double on the next round.
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Posted 2010-March-10, 11:49
Passing is out of course. I don't want to play bridge like that.
It's 3♦ or 2NT is that's scrambling. I'm used to scrambling unless one has shown a strong hand already. Then I play 2NT as natural. For instance after doubling opps 1NT and then responding 2NT to partner's takeout double of 2X.
It's 3♦ or 2NT is that's scrambling. I'm used to scrambling unless one has shown a strong hand already. Then I play 2NT as natural. For instance after doubling opps 1NT and then responding 2NT to partner's takeout double of 2X.
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