[babalu1997]

1 minor-p-1nt-p-2nt


Assuming 1nt opens of 15-17, and 1nt is 6-10 no major, what should opener have for the 2nt? Is mercy on partner required since the tenaces on dummy are exposed?




Assuming 1nt opens of1 2-14, and 1nt is 5-8 no major, what should opener have for the 2nt? Is mercy on partner required since the tenaces on dummy are exposed?

[mike777]

I dont really care what the heck 2nt shows, I just bid on if I have a max or extras.
Pard bids her hand, I bid mine.

I trust partner.

[matmat]

playing a strong no trump that should be a hand that evaluates to between the 1N and 2N opening ranges, so for most folks just a balanced(ish) 18-19.

[barmar]

And it should be about the same when playing a weak NT. Responder has limited their hand, and opener is inviting, so they need to have enough for game opposite a maximum.

[babalu1997]

mike777, on Jan 31 2010, 09:13 PM, said:

I dont really care what the heck 2nt shows, I just bid on if I have a max or extras.
Pard bids her hand, I bid mine.

I trust partner.

thanks, **max** or **extras**, all in the eyes of the beholder.

guess the one no trump response should be so too, who cares what bids show

that is bridge, lets all play indies

[mike777]

babalu1997, on Jan 31 2010, 09:25 PM, said:

mike777, on Jan 31 2010, 09:13 PM, said:

I dont really care what the heck 2nt shows, I just bid on if I have a max or extras.
Pard bids her hand, I bid mine.

I trust partner.

thanks, **max** or **extras**, all in the eyes of the beholder.

guess the one no trump response should be so too, who cares what bids show

that is bridge, lets all play indies

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YOu told me 1nt=6-10 so I look at my hand and make a judgement.


I mean I look at my hand.......why in the world should i care what 2nt means in such precise terms.......


I need to save my focus for the play of the hand, next deal.

[awm]

The 2NT bid shows 18/19 balanced. With a shapely hand interested in game, opener can reverse or jump in the original minor.

This has an interesting effect as to which hands responder should bid game with. I disagree with mike777 here -- the range of 1NT is nominally "6-10" but this is not an invite that says "bid game with the top half of the range." Instead, responder should bid game with all but the worst possible hand. Clearly all 8-10 point hands should accept (18+8=26 is enough for game) and in fact most seven point hands should accept. Passing 2NT is more like the bottom quarter of the range.

[barmar]

Basically, opener should have a hand similar to one that would have jumped to 2NT after a 1-over-1 response. So responder should big game unless they have a hand that would pass that 2NT. As Adam says, that's usually just a bare minimum for the original call.

[mike777]

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I accept with all or almost all 8-10 py hands

I pass with all or almost all 6 point hands



with 7 I will pass many.... but not all.


I do this all not caring what 2nt precise means.

again I really do not care what the precise exact definition is..... I doubt we have one....in general is good enough for me.


I disagree, if we have a bare minimum......I pass, easy.......pard can bid 3nt.

again pard bids her hand, we bid ours.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 2NT showes interest to play game vs. a max., i.e. 2NT showes 16/17-18,
i.e. slightly stronger than a 15-17NT, but the shape is not bal.
#2 Assuming 1NT - 12-14 and 1 NT response 5-8, 2NT now is 17-18.

In the end you need 25HCP, if you have them bid game, dont worry to much
about the exposed tenance, they are still there.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

babalu1997, on Feb 1 2010, 11:25 AM, said:

mike777, on Jan 31 2010, 09:13 PM, said:

I dont really care what the heck 2nt shows, I just bid on if I have a max or extras.
Pard bids her hand, I bid mine.

I trust partner.

thanks, **max** or **extras**, all in the eyes of the beholder.

guess the one no trump response should be so too, who cares what bids show

that is bridge, lets all play indies

You misunderstood a real valuable idea:

Of course it is nice to know what partner shows. (18/19 in most systems...).

But there is no need to ask this question. 2 NT is an invitation. Why did your partner invites you? Of course because he thinks that he can play 3 NT opposite a maximum but not opposite a minimum. There is no need to raise the level freely if you have no invitation.

So whatever partner has- look at yout hand. IF 1 NT is 6-10 you pass with 6 and most 7 and bid game with 8-10.

[aguahombre]

Adam says accept with most 7's, Roland says pass with most 7's. But both say that the real question is what to accept or pass with, not what opener has shown. The thing is, opener might have chosen 3NT himself with most 19's. But with the invite, he is giving you an "out" if you really had crap. I go with accepting on nearly all 7+. At worst, you have a combined 25, maybe 24+ if partner upgraded a hand which many would consider a strong NT opener.