[gwnn]

KQx
QJxx
xx
Qxxx

JTx
AKTxxx
Axx
x

1♠-2♥-p-3♥
p-p-p

+1 when spades did not break 6-1. MP's all vulnerable.

[Lobowolf]

I have to confess, I kinda like the final contract. I'm guessing south's 14th card is a club.

[gwnn]

oops. yes mistype.

[655321]

North 100% for not bidding 2♠. 3♥ could be a fair bit weaker, I would also pass 3♥ as South.

[PhantomSac]

3H? Lol, I've been seeing this a lot lately, people somehow won't cuebid with a normal limit raise. This hand is a 2S bid even if the fourth trump was a club, that's how poor 3H is.

[helene_t]

60% bad luck, 40% to North.

[jjbrr]

100% obvious

[karlson]

I think that given that game will be pretty rotten if south doesn't have the ♠J or if someone's minors are reversed, there can't be all that much blame. I think north's 3♥ was heavy, but not out of this world, especially at MP.

[PrecisionL]

No blame, it is just the rub of the green.

North's hand is not IMO a Limit Raise.

[mike777]

gwnn, on Jan 29 2010, 06:11 PM, said:

KQx
QJxx
xx
Qxxx

JTx
AKTxxx
Axx
x

1♠-2♥-p-3♥
p-p-p

+1 when spades did not break 6-1. MP's all vulnerable.

fwiw
north 60%
south 40%



north has easy cue.
after an ambigious 3h free bid by north south has an easy 4h bid with 6h.

[PhantomSac]

My head is exploding from amazement. How is a 10 count with 4 trumps and a worthless doubleton not a limit raise? What do you people need for a LR?

[jdonn]

Not calling north a limit raise involves some, um.... SERIOUS downgrading. It's even a limit raise that allows another level of bidding before committing. I'm with jlalls, I just don't get it!

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I would have raised 3H to 4H, but I dont play MP very well,
and Pass is ok, playing MP.
North is certainly max for the 3H, happens.

In the end this may have more to do with knowing each others
style than anything else.
If North knowes, that 2H overcalls are solid, he will be more
inclined to make a inv. raise, if South knowes, that 3H could
be that heavy, he will be more inclined to raise to game.

In the end you have two players, who were a bit conservative,
maybe expecting to face a more enterprising partner.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jikl]

Funny hand, personally I would cue raise with the North hand.

However I think a lot of people would find this bid more easily if North was already a passed hand, then noone would feel guilty about cue raising.

Sean

[pooltuna]

karlson, on Jan 29 2010, 09:34 PM, said:

I think that given that game will be pretty rotten if south doesn't have the ♠J or if someone's minors are reversed, there can't be all that much blame. I think north's 3♥ was heavy, but not out of this world, especially at MP.

ah ha a sane evaluation that doesn't ignor(why is spell check on for this word) the previous bidding!

[cherdanno]

karlson, on Jan 29 2010, 09:34 PM, said:

I think that given that game will be pretty rotten if south doesn't have the ♠J or if someone's minors are reversed, there can't be all that much blame. I think north's 3♥ was heavy, but not out of this world, especially at MP.

In that case there would be now blame but still 3H would have been a terrible bid.

[PrecisionL]

Well, is the North hand worth a LR? Using Rosenkranz's concept of cover cards, the North hand has 3 cover cards KQ = 1, xx = 1/2, and Qxxx = 1/2) and is worth a LR. IMO the lone Qxxx and A of spades behind KQx makes me downgrade this close LR to a heavy raise. The J of spades turns out to be the key to the hand!

Edit: Removed comment about 8-losers. It turns out that on a loser only based analysis game should be bid.

[helene_t]

8 losers is normal for a limit raise. Besides, never underestimate the power of the 9th trump.

[Winstonm]

It is obviously South's fault for having made some truly horrendous 2-level overcalls in the past which North so well remembers and therefore is it any wonder north underbids this time because remember what happened last time he cue bid with this hand.....?????

[cherdanno]

PrecisionL, on Jan 30 2010, 10:04 AM, said:

Well, is the North hand worth a LR? Using Rosenkranz's concept of cover cards, the North hand has 3 cover cards KQ = 1, xx = 1/2, and Qxxx = 1/2) and is worth a LR. IMO the lone Qxxx and A of spades behind KQx makes me downgrade this close LR to a heavy raise. The J of spades turns out to be the key to the hand!

I don't quite understand what you are counting, and I am not sure I want to learn Rosenkranz's concept of cover cards. But may I ask: Did you take into account that North has QJ-FOURTH of trumps?