[ochinko]

Imps, red on white. RHO deals.

Scoring: IMP

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(Pass) - Pass - (1♣) - Dbl
(Pass) - 1♥ - (Pass) - 2♣
(Pass) - ?

[the hog]

2S. Might as well see what partner is up to here. Do I "feel forced"? I assume you mean do I treat 2C as a non natural forcing bid? Yes.

[hotShot]

It would be quite unusual to dbl a 1♣ opening with long♣.
So partners 2♣ is artificial, strong and forcing.
So I'll have to bid 2♠ now.

[nigel_k]

I always respond the higher suit the first time in this situation. Since partner has shown length in the majors you're in a similar position to having two five card suits when partner has not shown major length. 'Bid four cards suits upwards' is not applicable here, especially since partner will not bid a four card spade suit over your one heart anyway.

[gnasher]

nigel_k, on Jan 28 2010, 10:08 AM, said:

I always respond the higher suit the first time in this situation. Since partner has shown length in the majors you're in a similar position to having two five card suits when partner has not shown major length. 'Bid four cards suits upwards' is not applicable here, especially since partner will not bid a four card spade suit over your one heart anyway.

Me too.

[Fluffy]

I also bid 1♠ rather than 1♥, specially if I am strong enough to recompete later.

As it is now bid 2♠ I think 2♠ shows a non yarborough and that's what we got.

[Codo]

The problem with 2 ♠ is, that my partner would not understand it, because I had not bid 1 ♥ with this hand. He will guess that I have a 45xy hand.

[gwnn]

agree with Nigel. it's a very useful and somehow unintuitive concept. also if you bid a major then a minor, you promise 4-5. my bridge improved a lot by understanding these two simple rules.

BTW 2♣ promises a rebid for some people. Not sure which is best. Definitely GF is bad bad.

[PhantomSac]

gwnn, on Jan 28 2010, 08:59 AM, said:

also if you bid a major then a minor, you promise 4-5.

Hmm, why can't you be 4-4?

[gwnn]

good point. I never really realized that. I always had the impression that you had to be 4- but now that i think about it 4-4 is of course also good. anyway doubler will pass the minor bid with 33 since advancer is often 4-5 but never 5-4.

[jjbrr]

bid 1♠ the first time and you dont have this problem

[jdonn]

Just curious, if the auction went something like:
(1♣) X 1♠
3♠

and that went down a trick, would anyone be saying they would have responded 1♥ so they could stop lower after partner bids 1♠?

[pooltuna]

ochinko, on Jan 28 2010, 03:07 AM, said:

Imps, red on white. RHO deals.

Scoring: IMP

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(Pass) - Pass - (1♣) - Dbl
(Pass) - 1♥ - (Pass) - 2♣
(Pass) - ?

1000%! As partner did not just raise ♥s I would bid 2♠

[gnasher]

jdonn, on Jan 29 2010, 07:43 AM, said:

Just curious, if the auction went something like:
(1♣) X 1♠
3♠

and that went down a trick, would anyone be saying they would have responded 1♥ so they could stop lower after partner bids 1♠?

He wouldn't bid
  1♣ dbl pass 1♥
  pass 1♠
on a four-card suit, would he?.

The only hand-type that would both raise 1♠ to 3♠ and bid 1♠ over 1♥ is a hand with five spades that is too strong to overcall. I don't think it's a big problem to reach the three level opposite such a hand.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2010-January-29, 08:31

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Jan 29 2010, 01:43 AM, said:

Just curious, if the auction went something like:
(1♣) X 1♠
3♠

and that went down a trick, would anyone be saying they would have responded 1♥ so they could stop lower after partner bids 1♠?

Why? Is the TOXer in the first auction going to pass my raise in the second? BTW I would probably be going down 2 in the first auction (incomplete since it did not include my 4♠ bid)

[PhantomSac]

jdonn, on Jan 29 2010, 01:43 AM, said:

Just curious, if the auction went something like:
(1♣) X 1♠
3♠

and that went down a trick, would anyone be saying they would have responded 1♥ so they could stop lower after partner bids 1♠?

Umm I doubt it. Bidding 1S on this auction is normal so that you can show both suits if partner cuebids, I don't think anyone is just saying it because of this particular hand.