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LHO opens 1♥ partner bids 1♠
RHO bids 2♥
What does a double show?
What would 2NT mean?
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What do these bids mean? 2/1 ACBL
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Posted 2010-January-27, 21:49
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Posted 2010-January-27, 21:58
double=responsive....other two suits and some competitive strength. Likely to have two-card spade tolerance.
2NT is tougher. It is natural for a lot of people. We use it as much more distributional for the other two suits than a double would have been. (Prepared to accept scorn by other posters on that). 2NT could also be a weak one-suited minor bid..sort of like leben or good/bad.
2NT is tougher. It is natural for a lot of people. We use it as much more distributional for the other two suits than a double would have been. (Prepared to accept scorn by other posters on that). 2NT could also be a weak one-suited minor bid..sort of like leben or good/bad.
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Posted 2010-January-28, 07:36
For me:
Dbl is takeout (typically both minors and ♠Hx)
2NT shows inv+ with 4+♠
Dbl is takeout (typically both minors and ♠Hx)
2NT shows inv+ with 4+♠
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Posted 2010-January-28, 08:56
Double is takeout not necessarily needing spade tolerance. Ie I'd do it with 1255.
2NT is depended upon agreement. Usually my choice for 2NT is usually natural unless partner's overcall was a major and RHO had bid something other than pass, then it's a good raise. (Ie 1H-2C-2H-2NT is natural, 1S-2H-P-2NT is natural but 1S-2H-2S-2NT is a good heart raise)
2NT is depended upon agreement. Usually my choice for 2NT is usually natural unless partner's overcall was a major and RHO had bid something other than pass, then it's a good raise. (Ie 1H-2C-2H-2NT is natural, 1S-2H-P-2NT is natural but 1S-2H-2S-2NT is a good heart raise)
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Posted 2010-January-28, 09:02
X t/o 2N nat is "standard" though a lot of people are using 2N artificially now,
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Posted 2010-January-28, 13:17
I think this is a really good auction to play 2n as a heart raise.
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Posted 2010-January-28, 13:29
Yes. If you're going to use 2NT for something artificial, a second way to raise spades is miles more useful than an second takeout double.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-28, 13:29
Standard:
DBL - Minors
2NT - Natural
Probably most common expert standard:
DBL - Minors
2NT - Lebensohl
My preference:
DBL - Values typically balanced
2NT - Minors
DBL - Minors
2NT - Natural
Probably most common expert standard:
DBL - Minors
2NT - Lebensohl
My preference:
DBL - Values typically balanced
2NT - Minors
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-January-28, 14:59
What I play is Dbl = competitive/responsive, typically xx or Hx in partner's suit (never good three cards), implies minors, and promises some values. I think this is pretty universal.
I like the metarule that 2NT in competition is "never" to-play but not all partners agree so it would be natural w/values and heart stopper in that case.
I like the metarule that 2NT in competition is "never" to-play but not all partners agree so it would be natural w/values and heart stopper in that case.
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Posted 2010-January-28, 15:10
jdonn, on Jan 28 2010, 02:29 PM, said:
My preference:
DBL - Values typically balanced
2NT - Minors
DBL - Values typically balanced
2NT - Minors
I like jdonn's suggestion of swapping 2N and X. After all, with balanced values, your partner may well want to sit for 2♥X, while if you're promising a lot of distribution in the other suits it's a whole lot less likely partner can sit (and 2N competitive in the minors seems fine).
I guess the main loss is the option to play 2♠ with Hx when partner can't sit for the double and/or has a 6th spade without forcing to the 3 level. Probably this means some hands with Hx♠ need to make a competitive raise to 2♠ unless they are strong enough to double.
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