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Unorthodox NT openings long major

#1 User is offline   ochinko 

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Posted 2010-January-22, 07:37

I routinely upgrade 5332 hands with 14 hcp to a 15-17 1NT opening, no matter which the long suit is. All in all I am satisfied with the results. Recently, however, I noticed that my condition worsens, and I am now tempted to open 1NT even with a hand like xx-AQJ109x-K9-Axx.

What do you think about this (assuming partner is unaware, and expects a normal hand)?
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Posted 2010-January-22, 07:46

I think it's better if partner has accurate knowledge of what you open 1NT on. Why wouldn't you want him to know?

As for opening 1NT with a strong 6-card major, I think that you'll play in the wrong contract far too often. If it were Axx xx AQJ109x K9, I'd happily open 1NT (and then accept an invitation, obviously). With a semi-solid minor, it's more likely that we belong in notrumps.
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Posted 2010-January-22, 08:10

Surely I would prefer to know each other's style with partner. It's just that I play frequently with unknown partners, and there's never enough time to enter into such details.
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Posted 2010-January-22, 09:15

I opened 1NT with a 6 card major and bid 2 when partner bid stayman. I really wanted a major suit lead, and sure enough they led my 6 card suit.

I've done it exactly once in my life, and I doubt I'll do it again any time soon.

So I give it the thumbs up as some sort of tactical bid. I give it the thumbs down to something you do routinely. And why would you want to bid 1NT with xx in ?
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Posted 2010-January-22, 09:19

There is an interesting tidbit about violating range agreements at the end of this article.
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Posted 2010-January-22, 09:23

jjbrr, on Jan 22 2010, 06:15 PM, said:

And why would you want to bid 1NT with xx in ?

You could have xx even with 17 pts and 4432 distribution, so that's nothing out of the ordinary.

Bidding 1NT instead of 1 has some preemptive effect, and makes it less likely for opps to compete in .
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Posted 2010-January-22, 09:28

ochinko, on Jan 22 2010, 10:23 AM, said:

jjbrr, on Jan 22 2010, 06:15 PM, said:

And why would you want to bid 1NT with xx in ?

You could have xx even with 17 pts and 4432 distribution, so that's nothing out of the ordinary.

Bidding 1NT instead of 1 has some preemptive effect, and makes it less likely for opps to compete in .

Yes, I understand xx is fine in NT sometimes, but when you have such a clear alternative, there's no reason to be a genius. It's just risky. If the auction goes 1NT P 3NT and lefty gets a spade lead on the table before everyone finishes picking up their bids, you will feel sick.
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Posted 2010-January-22, 09:33

It's silly to do this with xx in the other major. Less silly with a strong 3-card holding.
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Posted 2010-January-22, 09:37

I have seen some players open 1NT with strong 6 card majors and they have some good results. These players tend to have a strong matchpoint bias.

Personally, I would not do it, but that could be because I am more of an IMP player.
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Posted 2010-January-22, 11:51

It's a very high variance strategy that to me is clearly minus expected value, but does get some fantastic results. I do it against GIB a fair amount (then deny a major in response to stayman) and he defends really badly.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-January-22, 15:57

It's fine to do it sometimes with a 6 card major, but the hand you gave is not the time to do it. You will frequently belong in the major suit when you have that hand.
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