[Old York]

Scoring: IMP

You are North
South opens 1♦, West overcalls 2♠
continue...

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What is the best continuation after 1♦-(2♠) ?

Tony

[mike777]

3s


I would just show my d now rather than start witha neg x which would complicate things.

If pard rebids 3nt then 4d now which will suggest/hint at a void

I dont bid 4s as I do not want to go past rkc 4h kickback so......

[Old York]

Would your view of the hand be different if playing WJ2000 or Precision?

[hrothgar]

Old York, on Jan 22 2010, 01:51 AM, said:

Would your view of the hand be different if playing WJ2000 or Precision?

One of the critical issues on this hand is the expected Diamond length promised by the opening.

Playing Polish Club, 1♦ promises 4+ Diamonds. A void splinter - if available - seems like a standout bid.

Playing many forms of Precision, 1♦ might be bid on a doubleton or even a stiff. In this case, starting with a negative double seems best as to maximize room to explore strain...

[Old York]

hrothgar, on Jan 22 2010, 12:19 AM, said:

Old York, on Jan 22 2010, 01:51 AM, said:

Would your view of the hand be different if playing WJ2000 or Precision?

One of the critical issues on this hand is the expected Diamond length promised by the opening.

Playing Polish Club, 1♦ promises 4+ Diamonds. A void splinter - if available - seems like a standout bid.

Playing many forms of Precision, 1♦ might be bid on a doubleton or even a stiff. In this case, starting with a negative double seems best as to maximize room to explore strain...

Exactly what I thought

So, North is Adv with WJ2000 on profile, South is "Novice" with prec on profile

Any thoughts?

Tony

p.s. Would it help to know who was kibbing? ..... for example, a regular partner of south?
In fact, this kibber has never played with anyone other than South

[Fluffy]

If you don't knwo then double can't be very wrong. Even playing standard partner could have 4432 and hearts will be better.

[Old York]

North bids an immediate 7♦
1♦-(2♠)-7♦

Opponents call TD

Snookered. Ouch!!

Tony

South's hand: ♠AJT4 ♥J762 ♦AK52 ♣Q

[Siegmund]

I am OK with either double or 3S; I lean toward double, because I'd be much more interested in hearing about partner's second suit than about his spade stopper if he gets a chance to make a cheap bid. At IMPs I am OK with losing the heart possibility though.

If there has been prior discussion, it's possible a 4S response is on the list.

But really it doesn't matter too much - since I'm bidding however high I have to at my next turn to make sure our side plays this. The immediate 7D bid Old York reports is far from the worst bid I've ever seen especially if partner can't be trusted with a delicate auction.

[hrothgar]

Old York, on Jan 22 2010, 02:30 AM, said:

Exactly what I thought

So, North is Adv with WJ2000 on profile, South is "Novice" with prec on profile

Any thoughts?

Garbage In, Garbage Out

From the sounds of thing two random players, with radically different (perceived) skill levels, and no agreement regarding system are partnering one another.

Bidding polls are (normally) based on some kind of assumption of sanity/competency/what have you.

If I was playing against some random novice in an indy or - worse yet, some slef proclaimed expert - I might very well decide to punt 7♦...

Its probably a lot safer than risking that partner might pass a forcing bid.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

4S.

We will play at least 6D, abut before I will sign of in 6D
I will see how much p can wail and cry to tell me that he
opened his usual garbage.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Old York]

hrothgar, on Jan 22 2010, 12:26 PM, said:

From the sounds of thing two random players, with radically different (perceived) skill levels, and no agreement regarding system are partnering one another.

Bidding polls are (normally) based on some kind of assumption of sanity/competency/what have you.

That would have been a reasonable assumption, so I checked BBO "my hands" and discovered that N/S often play together, and I seriously doubt that south is a beginner because this player had on profile:

Stay, tex, wilkosz, prec, 2hs weak,1nt 15-17,asy 5 z kr 102, odwrotka, jassem, PRO,NO SAYC!

If north decided that the grand was a good idea (LTC 4+7=11, 24-11=13) then bid 5NT-Josephine? This is one of the bridge world's most famous bids, and an obvious grand slam try.
1♦-(2♠)-5NT*-(p)-7♦
Failing that, just bid the enemy suit or double, and await developments

I did not post this as a bidding poll, just wanted to hear any reasonable suggestion for north's first bid

Tony