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#41 User is offline   barmar 

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Posted 2010-January-22, 14:49

aguahombre, on Jan 22 2010, 02:04 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 21 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jan 21 2010, 08:59 PM, said:

who cares?.l.2c is stayman.  It is only certain followups which either deny a major or might not have one.   I think it is silly to announce "might not", then later alert "does not".   The ACBL rules are just fine.

Obviously if you make the rule you announce "might not" then that's it, no later alerts.

strange from an acbl person. when you later learn "does not", u must disclose.

I'm not aware of a common Stayman response structure where "might not" later becomes "does not". The common case has "might not" later being reversed to "does".

1NT-2C (might not)
2D-3NT (does)

1NT-2C (might not)
2D-2NT (still might not)

1NT-2C (might no)
2H-2S (exactly 4 ♠, <4 ♥)

Could you give an example of an auction where responder confirms that he doesn't have a 4-card major? This is possible with Puppet Stayman, but not with ordinary Stayman AFAIK.

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Posted 2010-January-22, 14:53

barmar, on Jan 22 2010, 03:49 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jan 22 2010, 02:04 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 21 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jan 21 2010, 08:59 PM, said:

who cares?.l.2c is stayman.  It is only certain followups which either deny a major or might not have one.   I think it is silly to announce "might not", then later alert "does not".   The ACBL rules are just fine.

Obviously if you make the rule you announce "might not" then that's it, no later alerts.

strange from an acbl person. when you later learn "does not", u must disclose.

I'm not aware of a common Stayman response structure where "might not" later becomes "does not". The common case has "might not" later being reversed to "does".

1NT-2C (might not)
2D-3NT (does)

1NT-2C (might not)
2D-2NT (still might not)

1NT-2C (might no)
2H-2S (exactly 4 ♠, <4 ♥)

Could you give an example of an auction where responder confirms that he doesn't have a 4-card major? This is possible with Puppet Stayman, but not with ordinary Stayman AFAIK.

1NT-2C (might no)
2H-2NT (<4♠, <4 ♥)
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