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#1 User is offline   quiddity 

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Posted 2010-January-18, 13:08

Scoring: MP

1♥ P 2♥ ?

Does your answer change with different vul/scoring?
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Posted 2010-January-18, 13:08

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Posted 2010-January-18, 13:17

Ya I'd double but I prebalance aggressively. I think it's right to bid with this hand, but I realize it could end badly sometimes.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 13:43

Depends on who partner and opps are. If opps are the sort who will not double then probably you can double this. OTOH if you have one of those partners who will never pass it out unless they are 4333 and even then will consider 2♠, then most definitely pass this.

Assuming all experts I would pass.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:30

I don't think it's particularly aggressive to double - it just looks normal.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:31

Yeah I would double and I don't think I'm especially aggressive here.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:46

Yes, prebalance. Dbl.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 18:29

Double at imps, double at MP, double always. Against good opps I'm pretty sure it is way more dangerous to double here at MP than imps though.
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Posted 2010-January-20, 10:04

I'd pass at all scoring and vul. P is still there to balance if needed, and I trust him to do so if he has the hand for it. I hate having only 3 ♠ here. If I dbl now, how will P judge correctly should opps bid 3 or even 4 ♥? If I were something like 4-2-4-3 with abt the same hcp, I'd prebalance. :)
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Posted 2010-January-20, 10:16

bftboy, on Jan 20 2010, 09:04 AM, said:

I'd pass at all scoring and vul. P is still there to balance if needed, and I trust him to do so if he has the hand for it. I hate having only 3 ♠ here. If I dbl now, how will P judge correctly should opps bid 3 or even 4 ♥? If I were something like 4-2-4-3 with abt the same hcp, I'd prebalance. :)

Yep, that's the other theory. Nigel and you have both spoken well for it.
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Posted 2010-January-20, 17:22

The prebalance worked out very poorly when partner turned up with Axxx xxx xxx Kxx, spades were 3-3 and everything was offside.

Of course this was really unlucky, but it made me wonder whether the risk is worth the potential gain on hands where partner is unable to balance.
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Posted 2010-January-20, 23:56

actually "prebalance" is a sophisticated word for coming into an auction you have no business being in. And then you explain the number with one word.."prebalance"
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