[kfay]

xxx AKJ10xx xxx A

(1♣)-P-(1♦)-?

r/w, IMPs

[gwnn]

1♥. 2♥ if playing it as intermediate (as I think it should).

[P_Marlowe]

2H.

Independent of what I play 2H, since we are red vs. green, a 2H bid is
not based on garbage.
Another point is, partner is a passed hand, if he has hearts brilliant,
otherwise he should shut up.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jjbrr]

2♥ intermediate is both a good agreement and the bid I would make here.

[gwnn]

KQJT9x and out is a good 2H bid if it's played as weak (particularly if you've 4 cards in a minor and singleton in spades). Weak and intermediate are not interchangeable or overlapping.

[pooltuna]

kfay, on Jan 18 2010, 12:48 PM, said:

xxx AKJ10xx xxx A

(1♣)-P-(1♦)-?

r/w, IMPs

At these colors 2♥ should be a good description of your hand to partner

[nigel_k]

1♥.

People respond light and you can still make games in this situation. So I think 2♥ is too much of an underbid unless we have specifically agreed it's intermediate. We could have a lot less, even r/w.

[P_Marlowe]

gwnn, on Jan 18 2010, 01:05 PM, said:

KQJT9x and out is a good 2H bid if it's played as weak (particularly if you've 4 cards in a minor and singleton in spades). Weak and intermediate are not interchangeable or overlapping.

Sure, that would be enough for a weak 2H bid, and I would also make the
2H bid, even with a 6332 shape.
Given that we are facing a passed p, I really dont care, what p expects for 2H.

Of course p knowes, that my bids are fairly wide ranging in this specific situation.

Anyway the only troubling card is the single Ace, why should this card stop me
from bidding a weak 2H?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

because you're too strong. partner is not a passed hand. he could have as much as

AKJx Qxx xxx xxx (could have a lot more with xxxx of clubs) and we just missed game. oops!

[P_Marlowe]

gwnn, on Jan 18 2010, 02:56 PM, said:

because you're too strong. partner is not a passed hand. he could have as much as

AKJx Qxx xxx xxx (could have a lot more with xxxx of clubs) and we just missed game. oops!

Sure, he could have this, and most of the time one can handle this.

#1 partner could have overcalled 1S
#2 partner can and should make a constructive raise in hearts, since all
of his values are working.

Of course the widerange has it draw back, and sometimes you will miss
game, but it also has its plus, sometimes you will be able to buy the contract
cheaply and win the part score battle.
Pay the price and as long as your are happy with what you get, there is no
real issue.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

and I'm not happy with that. but looks like we're both happy. but I don't think your question "why should this card stop me from bidding a weak 2H?" -which would imply that it is irrelevant- is quite accurate. There is a good reason why it should stop you (just like there is reason why it shouldn't).

[jdonn]

Yes I'm strong enough for 1♥.

How is it we get an intermediate hand and all of a sudden everyone plays intermediate jump overcalls? I must admit I still don't and have never particularly wanted to. I think I get in more trouble not vul when my hands are worse than I do preempting when vul.

[whereagles]

huh? wtp here???

[kfay]

jdonn, on Jan 18 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

Yes I'm strong enough for 1♥.

How is it we get an intermediate hand and all of a sudden everyone plays intermediate jump overcalls? I must admit I still don't and have never particularly wanted to. I think I get in more trouble not vul when my hands are worse than I do preempting when vul.

On this particular hand, you can still go for 500 at the 1-level!! Are you surprised?

JDonn >> All

[kenrexford]

jdonn, on Jan 18 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

Yes I'm strong enough for 1♥.

How is it we get an intermediate hand and all of a sudden everyone plays intermediate jump overcalls? I must admit I still don't and have never particularly wanted to. I think I get in more trouble not vul when my hands are worse than I do preempting when vul.

I personally have played intermediate JS red on white for years. This hand applies.

[kfay]

While my card says I play weak jump overcalls.... In this position, like I've seen JLall say on the forums before... a weak jump overcall IS an intermediate jump.

I can't really imagine bidding 2♥ with less...

[gwnn]

I don't recall him saying that.

seriously you wouldn't bid 2♥ with

x
KQJT9x
Qxxx
xx

?

not sure what you mean it IS an intermediate jump. to me that just sounds like some people discussing whether or not a weak NT 3rd seat R/R and me intervening with "in this position a weak no trump IS strong". maybe I'm not good at connotative language.

it's either weak or intermediate. weak means you'd open 2♥ with it. intermediate means you'd open 1♥ and rebid 2♥ with it (with possible suit quality/purity requirements). it may be something in between (8-12) but you can't say a weak 2 is an intermediate 2.

[kfay]

gwnn, on Jan 18 2010, 04:41 PM, said:

I don't recall him saying that.

seriously you wouldn't bid 2♥ with

x
KQJT9x
Qxxx
xx

?

not sure what you mean it IS an intermediate jump. that just sounds like "in this position a weak no trump IS strong" to me. maybe I'm not good at connotative language.

it's either weak or intermediate. weak means you'd open 2♥ with it. intermediate means you'd open 1♥ and rebid 2♥ with it (with possible suit quality/purity requirements). it may be something in between (8-12) but you can't say a weak 2 is an intermediate 2.

Gwnn the search master?

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=371957

[gwnn]

hmmm? he says he likes intermediate jump shifts. he doesn't say a weak jump shift IS intermediate.

[jdonn]

kfay, on Jan 18 2010, 04:32 PM, said:

While my card says I play weak jump overcalls.... In this position, like I've seen JLall say on the forums before... a weak jump overcall IS an intermediate jump.

I can't really imagine bidding 2♥ with less...

What the heck, this hand without the ace of clubs is a perfectly sound perfectly good vul weak jump overcall but not at all good enough for an intermediate jump overcall.