[neilkaz]

Pass here, I do have a partner who isn't forced to pass. While I'd love to bid and hope the opps bid 1 higher, we are Red, my K♠ may be worthless, and if PD has 3 small trump and they split 4-1 I could go for 500.

[whereagles]

What Stewart doesn't say is that discipline is also to exercise judgement when the the time is right. And this time I think it is because:

1. opps are likely to bid 3♠ over this and possibly go down

2. pard is limited and with his expected spade tripleton, he'll pass out 2♠ most of the time when bidding can very well be right.

[jdonn]

I have a long history of bidding 3 in spots like this because I figure the opponents will just bid 1 more over that anyway. And then so often they don't.

[rogerclee]

Sorry, who is going for 500 here with such frequency? I have basically never been doubled on 1H 1S 2H 2S 3H in my entire life.

[jdonn]

And you're so old too.

[peachy]

Good quote jillybean. I know I must pass although this little devil in my head is trying to make me bid 3H. But I resist.

[aguahombre]

heh. Being 43 years older than roger (but with about 22 years of no bridge in the middle), I have been doubled in several of my follies.

[hanp]

I don't think this has much to do with devils. We are 5-5 and partner has supported. Also, we have spade shortness so if we pass this will almost certainly be passed out. It is true that our honors are quite defensive and all red is the worst vulnerability to compete.

Reading Frank Stewart always gets me heated up for passing as well.

[rogerclee]

jdonn, on Jan 14 2010, 11:30 AM, said:

And you're so old too.

Most people would play LHO's double as maximal, so he usually can't do anything except pass or bid game. So if they're playing maximal doubles, RHO, who is usually already content pushing us to the 3 level, has to be the one to crack us off with the trumps onside.

I am curious if you have actually ever gone for a number on this auction. If so, how many times? To me it is very unsurprising that I have literally never been doubled off in this (specific) auction.

[jdonn]

rogerclee, on Jan 14 2010, 02:07 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 14 2010, 11:30 AM, said:

And you're so old too. 

Most people would play LHO's double as maximal, so he usually can't do anything except pass or bid game. So if they're playing maximal doubles, RHO, who is usually already content pushing us to the 3 level, has to be the one to crack us off with the trumps onside.

I am curious if you have actually ever gone for a number on this auction. If so, how many times? To me it is very unsurprising that I have literally never been doubled off in this (specific) auction.

Roger come on. You have no idea if you have been doubled in this specific auction even if you can't remember it happening. As for the rest,
- I have no idea if I have been doubled on this specific auction.
- Responder can also pass his partner's maximal double on a hand where he wouldn't have doubled, which I know I have done before, I think more than once although I'm not sure.
- Even if LHO wants to double you for penalty and defends undoubled instead then something bad has happened (admittedly unless his partner bids 3♠.)

[mike777]

Little Kid, on Jan 13 2010, 02:35 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(P)-1♥-(1♠)-2♥
(2♠)-?

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You open 1♥ in second seat. What do you bid next? Is it obvious?

I will try 3h.


trying some mike lawrence, fought the law stuff.


estimate:

sst=3
13-3=ten tricks.

whcp=16-18=minus one adjustment.
10-1=9

[rogerclee]

If we want to get into if I ever once, in my entire life, have been doubled and gone for 500 or more at IMP scoring, the answer is that I am sure it has not happened in the last year or two, but it may have happened before then (but I don't think so, or it happened before I really considered myself a "bridge player"). Sorry that I have made that a focal point of my argument, but that is of course not what I have been trying to argue.

I merely want to say that even on the hands where we are down 2 or more, almost always it will be undoubled, and often someone will bid 3S because trumps are 5-0 or 4-1 and nobody could double (so the person with heart shortness acts). Consequently, we are almost never in any very serious trouble from bidding 3H.

[neilkaz]

Roger's point about maximal doubles is a good one, but my pard went for 800 here recently on BBO. An opp had KQJT♥. PD learned that it can be dangerous to bid 3♥ on a routine 5332 13 count with Axxxx♥

I do like to bid one more on hands like the OP also..but that stiff K♠ bothers me as does being Red.

[whereagles]

except this this isn't a 5332.. it's a 55. big difference

[neilkaz]

whereagles, on Jan 14 2010, 01:30 PM, said:

except this this isn't a 5332.. it's a 55. big difference

Yeah...I wasn't happy with PD. But, I don't like my stiff K♠ here, inspite of 55.

[655321]

Add me to the 3♥ camp.

[the hog]

Pass. K of S is rubbish.

[Winstonm]

This hand is a piece of crap - pass and be grateful they are not in game.

[P_Marlowe]

If one is really afraid, that they may have game on, one should bid 3H,
at least one takes away several invitational bids.

And partners expected spade length will stop partner from bidding, even
if he holds a 4th heart.

With kind regards
Marlowe