[hanp]

Here:

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presummably the other auction could have been
(P) P 1♣ 1♠:
(X) 2♠

[pooltuna]

hanp, on Jan 14 2010, 09:28 AM, said:

Here:

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presummably the other auction could have been
(P) P 1♣ 1♠:
(X) 2♠

Well yes but that is a different auction where instead of a TOX 4th hand chose to overcall 1♠ and his partner could easily have 3♠ for his raise or do you require 4 which IMO would put you in a distinct minority.

[phil_20686]

The primary gain of bidding 1s is surely that you are much moirelikely to find game when you ahve a large fit. Also you are less likely to get closed out by a preemtive club raise, and more likely to find a good sac if the opps get to 5c.

On the other hand dble will surely gain on hands where noone can make game.

I am undecided. Were partner unpassed i would certainly be in the 1s camp, but he has, and while i can construct hands that make game quite good, its not at all obvious that we wont reach them after I start with a doube as with the 4 good spades necessary partner will be prepared to enter the auction an a reasonably high level i suspect.

AKxx
x
Kxx
xxxx

This hand will surely be prepared to back in with at least two spades, and would probably bid 3s over 3c which is my principle worry. With my own spades being so poor im not sure that a 5-3 spade fit will play so well.

Finally, if i double now partner may be in a much better position to hit some number of clubs later as a dble promises far more defensive strength than a 1s overcall.

ALl in all i have convinced myself that maybe i should double here, although i would normally bid 1s with this shape.

[gwnn]

mike777 what replies surprised you? surely 1♠ and x are both unsurprising bids. I mean it's obvious that some people will choose 1♠ and some will choose x. I guess there will be some people who bid 2♣. Anything else would be a surprise for me. 1 lead directing canape ♥ (double adjective bridge) or pass would be surprising and I am sure nobody would ever do anything else.

that said of course 1♠ is clear.

[Hanoi5]

I bid my 5-card Major. If I double I'm sure my partner will bid diamonds.

[Old York]

hanp, on Jan 13 2010, 05:29 PM, said:

Tony, that must be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen.

Scoring: IMP

P-P-1♣-x
p-p-p

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This is just one of many possible results. 1♣x-2 or 1NTx-3 is fine with me.
E/W 3NT-1 being the worst of all possible results

Partner is a passed hand and probably has 7hcp and 5-6 Diamonds.
Frankly, I would expect partner to play in a Diamond or No-trump partscore on most layouts. I honestly doubt that the posted hand can find a game without a lot of co-operation from partner. If a game exists, then partner can find it if I double. The Spade game on a bad 5-3 fit is not a high priority IMHO

Perhaps you consider me to be naive or foolish to place so much trust in partner?
Fancy a Team Match, sometime?
Tony

[hanp]

Naive, that's the polite word I was looking for.

[jdonn]

I maintain that I have played more hands of bridge in my life than 95% of forums participants, and I do not remember having the auction 1♣ X P P P a single time. (But that doesn't mean I can guarantee it hasn't happened, clee! )

[junyi_zhu]

jdonn, on Jan 15 2010, 04:59 PM, said:

I maintain that I have played more hands of bridge in my life than 95% of forums participants, and I do not remember having the auction 1♣ X P P P a single time. (But that doesn't mean I can guarantee it hasn't happened, clee! )

Well, 1C x pass pass is actually quite normal IMO comparing with 1S x pass pass. One really needs very chunky spades to stay the double. Still, I am in the 1S camp, when possible, it's usually good to introduce one's longest suit and proceed naturally.

[gnasher]

1♣ dbl pass pass

is much more common than

1♣ dbl pass pass
pass

[Edited to correct typo. Thanks jbrr for noticing it and Josh for understanding it anyway.]

[jjbrr]

gnasher, on Jan 15 2010, 12:45 PM, said:

1♣ dbl pass pass

is much less common than

1♣ dbl pass pass
pass

does not compute.

Edit: I haven't posted in this thread I don't think. 1♠ is my bid. I'm happy to double when it comes back to me.

[jdonn]

I think he meant "more" common.