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This is an email hand that has been passed around and is getting various responses that surprised me.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 19:32
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Posted 2010-January-12, 19:40
The disparity in suit quality in the majors is enough that I like X
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Posted 2010-January-12, 19:59
It's close...since many of the times we defend we are on lead, and if LHO is playing notrump, maybe the spade lead works out anyway..so 1♠ seems ok...provided that we are committed to bidding again after a 1N or 2♣ call on our left, passed back to us (or pulled to 2♣ on our right.
I think the hand (barely) qualifies for that treatment so I bid 1♠, rather than double.
I think the hand (barely) qualifies for that treatment so I bid 1♠, rather than double.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 20:35
1♠ for me, double with 54 majors is against my religion and with a singleton club we have an easy double next round anyway.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 21:12
655321, on Jan 12 2010, 09:35 PM, said:
......... and with a singleton club we have an easy double next round anyway.
that will be an illegal bid...but.......glad everyone is thinking of future bidding.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 00:07
655321, on Jan 12 2010, 09:35 PM, said:
1♠ for me, double with 54 majors is against my religion and with a singleton club we have an easy double next round anyway.
truth.
In fact I think X is terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible
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Posted 2010-January-13, 00:10
X is certainly not terrible with such a disparity in the suits. However, on this hand i will bid 1S.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 01:21
The_Hog, on Jan 13 2010, 01:10 AM, said:
X is certainly not terrible with such a disparity in the suits. However, on this hand i will bid 1S.
Agreed.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 02:30
I never double with 54 in the majors, but this hand is 4431... 
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Posted 2010-January-13, 02:37
Hi,
X, I would not be able to comment on any other call.
Even if you usually believe in overcalling spades with this shape,
the suit quality makes X clear cut.
With kind regards
Marlowe
X, I would not be able to comment on any other call.
Even if you usually believe in overcalling spades with this shape,
the suit quality makes X clear cut.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2010-January-13, 03:01
doubling the next round sounds like a gross overbid to me.
I am bidding 1♠ and probably just 2♥ next.
I am bidding 1♠ and probably just 2♥ next.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 03:08
1S.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 07:59
I was in "1♠ wtp?" camp but after generating some layouts I am not that sure anymore.
It seems that double will place as in better suit most of the time. 1♠ leads to some passouts and some inferior♠ partscores. On the other hand after double we often land in ♦ fit instead of ♠ fit which is disaster at MP's.
I think double makes sense at IMPs. I am not sure if I can make myself to produce it though.
It seems that double will place as in better suit most of the time. 1♠ leads to some passouts and some inferior♠ partscores. On the other hand after double we often land in ♦ fit instead of ♠ fit which is disaster at MP's.
I think double makes sense at IMPs. I am not sure if I can make myself to produce it though.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 09:04
Codo, on Jan 13 2010, 03:30 AM, said:
I never double with 54 in the majors, but this hand is 4431...
It appears we (most of the responders) are treating the auction (P) P (1♣) ? exactly the same as - - (1♣) ? The former suggests to me that we are in a part score battle vs the latter where we are just probably in a part score battle. Should we choose 1♠ blindly in this case or does a TOX lend us an advantage in possibly finding a game say in an auction that looks like this
(P) P (♣) X;
1♥ 1♠ 2♣ ?
Do we upgrade the hand now to a 3♠ call?
presummably the other auction could have been
(P) P 1♣ 1♠:
(X) 2♠ (P) is it easier to move now?
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Posted 2010-January-13, 09:41
Double has an advantage that nobody has commented on. Partner can convert to penalty by passing with long clubs
Imps is the nearest thing to rubber. All rubber players know the value of penalties in partscore battles.
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Imps is the nearest thing to rubber. All rubber players know the value of penalties in partscore battles.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 10:29
Tony, that must be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen. (not counting pooltuna's which is about equally terrible: a hand that freely bids 1S after a takeout double raises a 1S overcall to 2S?).
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 11:04
Definitely 1♠ and I don't care for double at all. If the majors were reversed double has a lot more going for it as we are much more likely to miss spades after 1♥ than hearts after 1♠.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 13:05
hanp, on Jan 13 2010, 11:29 AM, said:
Tony, that must be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen. (not counting pooltuna's which is about equally terrible: a hand that freely bids 1S after a takeout double raises a 1S overcall to 2S?).
It was a 1♠ response after X and 1♥
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
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Posted 2010-January-14, 04:07
pooltuna, on Jan 13 2010, 02:05 PM, said:
hanp, on Jan 13 2010, 11:29 AM, said:
Tony, that must be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen. (not counting pooltuna's which is about equally terrible: a hand that freely bids 1S after a takeout double raises a 1S overcall to 2S?).
It was a 1♠ response after X and 1♥
Without the 1♥ bid partner would be forced to bid, after 1♥ he could pass. That's why it is called a free bid. Presumably partner has more than 3 spades for his FREELY bid 1S.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-14, 08:25
hanp, on Jan 14 2010, 05:07 AM, said:
pooltuna, on Jan 13 2010, 02:05 PM, said:
hanp, on Jan 13 2010, 11:29 AM, said:
Tony, that must be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen. (not counting pooltuna's which is about equally terrible: a hand that freely bids 1S after a takeout double raises a 1S overcall to 2S?).
It was a 1♠ response after X and 1♥
Without the 1♥ bid partner would be forced to bid, after 1♥ he could pass. That's why it is called a free bid. Presumably partner has more than 3 spades for his FREELY bid 1S.
Where do you see in my post that I am suggesting he has less? In fact I think 3♠ is probably correct by the TOXer.
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
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the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw