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#21 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2009-December-21, 20:56


Dealer: South
Vul: None
Scoring: MP
A
AKQ72
Q632
KQJ


West North East South

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 Pass  2    Pass  ? 


If you open 1 partner supports 's and accepts any cue/game try you make.

I will post the full hand next.
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Posted 2009-December-21, 22:51

After 1 2 I think just bidding 4 is a bit lazy. Why not 3, all partner needs for slam is AKxx(x) of diamonds, or perhaps just one of those honors and the club ace.
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Posted 2009-December-21, 23:16

jdonn, on Dec 21 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

After 1 2 I think just bidding 4 is a bit lazy. Why not 3, all partner needs for slam is AKxx(x) of diamonds, or perhaps just one of those honors and the club ace.

I agree that 4/2 is horrible. We play 3 here as a game try, if we have game and partner can cue he will, if he bids 4 do you stop?
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Posted 2009-December-22, 00:41

jillybean, on Dec 21 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 21 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

After 1 2 I think just bidding 4 is a bit lazy. Why not 3, all partner needs for slam is AKxx(x) of diamonds, or perhaps just one of those honors and the club ace.

I agree that 4/2 is horrible. We play 3 here as a game try, if we have game and partner can cue he will, if he bids 4 do you stop?

Are your agreements that he MUST cue if he accepts, or only he CAN cue if he accepts? I find it hard to imagine that he can accept but not cue as there are only 5 HCP in quacks that you are missing. If you play that he MUST cue (which I doubt many play), but only cue aces or voids than I guess you have two missing aces and could stop. But realistically, if he can accept a game try in diamonds, you have 5 level safety and can try blackwood over 4. I'm willing to play 6 if partner shows 1 KC, and explore more if partner shows 2.
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Posted 2009-December-22, 02:03


Scoring: IMP



Here's the full hand, and before anyone says it, I know I shouldnt be worrying about 50% slams.
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Posted 2009-December-22, 03:10

ONEferBRID, on Dec 22 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

gwnn, on Dec 21 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

if you are so curious, perhaps you should look at previous posts? say, the ones that preceded yours by 2 and 3 posts?

I guess I'm blind... I still don't see the Responder hand for this post.
I didn't see it earlier and I still don't see it .

my reply wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at billw55 post immediately above mine.

(maybe you should have guessed that since none of the posts I alluded to have anything to do with responder's hand, but OK, I guess I have to quote all posts I reply to).

Kathryn said:

Here's the full hand, and before anyone says it, I know I shouldnt be worrying about 50% slams.

Looks like it's better than 50% slam to me..
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Posted 2009-December-22, 03:36

gwnn, on Dec 22 2009, 01:10 AM, said:

Kathryn said:

Here's the full hand, and before anyone says it, I know I shouldnt be worrying about 50% slams.

Looks like it's better than 50% slam to me..

Maybe, but it is a little tricky I think. There are 4, 1, 1 ruff in the short hand, 1 and 5 for 12 but that assumes hearts 3-2 and that you can work out transportation for all 4 clubs and the heart ruffs. Or read the position well enough to (again with hearts 3-2) play for clubs 3-3 or LHO with long clubs and K or either opponent with long and long and plan on holding off on clubs until all the hearts are played and then over tacking the 3rd round of clubs which is, I think, the line I'd try. I'm pretty sure less than 50% of B/I make this slam, and am not sure I make it more than 50% either (although I guess in some fields the A lead will start us off with many more chances).
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Posted 2009-December-22, 06:48

jillybean, on Dec 22 2009, 03:03 AM, said:


<!-- PARTNERSNS begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> Q753 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> 953 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> K4 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> A752 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> A </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AKQ72 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> Q632 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KQJ </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- PARTNERSNS end -->




Here's the full hand, and before anyone says it, I know I shouldnt be worrying about 50% slams.

after 1h=2h ...easy 3d.....


now I think responder has an easy 4c cue.


very tough hand to play in 6h.
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