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#1 User is offline   flytoox 

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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:01

Just played a hand with a star player.


W N E S
-- 1S 2D 2N
3C 3N X PASS
P P




THE WORST BID IS
1) 2N
2) 3N
3) PASS
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:11

It really depends on what you play 2nt as here.If you play it as natural(alot of people i know never play any 2nt bid as nat). North hand dont seem enough to go 3. spade looks like slow tricks. the dbl is also questionable, what is 3C anyway?.

Just my 2 cents. I am not really expert or advanced so my answer can be totally off. I just feeling posty today
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:19

AceOfHeart, on Jul 7 2004, 11:11 AM, said:

what is 3C anyway?

I'd also like to know this.
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:22

scoob, on Jul 7 2004, 05:19 PM, said:

AceOfHeart, on Jul 7 2004, 11:11 AM, said:

what is 3C anyway?

I'd also like to know this.

when asked, LHO says natural.
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:23

2NT. What is that?? You have an invitational hand with ♠ support, bid 3♠ and get it over with... :blink:
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:25

Free, on Jul 7 2004, 05:23 PM, said:

2NT. What is that?? You have an invitational hand with ♠ support, bid 3♠ and get it over with... :blink:

2N is natural. Not sure 3S is limited raise here.
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:31

Free, on Jul 7 2004, 12:23 PM, said:

2NT.  What is that??  You have an invitational hand with ♠ support, bid 3♠ and get it over with...  :blink:

I agree and think 2NT as natural is the worst. As I play 3♠ as preemptive in this situation, I bid 3♦ as limit raise or better with exactly 3 trumps. I'm still puzzled by the 3♣ bid although I'm assuming the "assign the blame" is restricted to N-S.
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:46

Really need to understand your agreements. In particular, is 2NT natural or some kind of conventional spade raise?

From my perspective, 2NT is problematic. Responder has a 7 loser hand with 3 card Spade support. 2NT doesn't seem correct.

If our openings are reasonably sound, then I prefer 3♣, natural and forcing, intending to show Spade support on the next round. If partner rebids in Spades, then I'm happy to bid 4S.

If our openings are weaker, then I'll cue bid to show a limit+ in support of Spades.
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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:53

natural 2N, poor, but not that bad
3N - stretch, but not bad. After all, has spade intermediates and 2nd diam stopper.
Pass - boo, hiss! horrible, terrible, awful. especially after the double.

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Posted 2004-July-07, 11:58

2N as Richard said depends a lot on what you were playing, if 2N is natural as it seems I think I prefer a 3cl bid since 2N should show more cards and values in the red suits.

3N is the worst bid no doubts. Why with 4 clubs and a semi-balanced hand do you want to play 3N if you can double 3cl by them ? If west retreats to 3d after the dbl then north should pass and south will surely bid 3s or 4s ending the auction.

I'd blame North 100% for bidding 3N instead of a logical dbl.

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Posted 2004-July-07, 13:50

3NT by North is horrible, he should X.

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Posted 2004-July-07, 15:23

2NT 100% of the blame
Pass gets the rest

Both of South's bid are horrible; when you have a pickup
partner you MUST show immediately support if you
have it; if not, you are the sole guilty for any accident that
may happen.

But our star here compounded the felony by passing the double,
hence 200% guilty :D
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Posted 2004-July-08, 03:15

It is good to know what you play, if you don't know what you play that's not so good.

Agree with north's bidding (yes including the pass!).

As for south: Assuming that without agreement 2NT is natural, the right bid is 3♦. After 3NT double you get a second chance to show spades, this time by bidding them.

East obviously has a (double?) spade stopper and expects to set 3NT by running ♦. Your spade fit will be a nasty surprise for him.

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Posted 2004-July-08, 14:42

The worst bid is 2♦.
The next worst bid is double of 3NT.
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Posted 2004-July-08, 15:12

South doesn't have the right spades for NT, the right hearts for NT (partner probably doesn't have them, and if heart lead is right, West might have a clue), or the right diamonds for NT. (The clubs are OK IMHO.) Don't be too hard on South, though, everybody misclicks occasionally.

We teach our beginners to support a major with support. Makes life much easier for partner. Still good advice at any level.

There are those that think they know when to play an eight-card major fit in notrump. Hopefully, after this hand, there should be one less of those players, namely South.
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Posted 2004-July-08, 18:41

i agree with richard, 2nt seems wrong.. 3C stands out to me.. as for 3nt, i agree with luis that x looks better, however i don't think i'd say it's the 100% bid

i think the 2nt bid is 75%, 3nt 25%
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