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Posted 2009-December-02, 07:14
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 07:43
Yes, when responder has shown values then a new suit by the T/O Xer is forcing. This includes even a freebid at the 1 level like 1C X 1D 1S p 2H is forcing. Maybe in the modern game it shouldn't be since the 1S bid could be very light, but that's how it is currently played.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 08:07
Thanks.
Maybe I'll do better when I stop thinking that GiB knows something that I don't. Then again, 3♥+4 was >50% of the matchpoints....
Maybe I'll do better when I stop thinking that GiB knows something that I don't. Then again, 3♥+4 was >50% of the matchpoints....
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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rule number 1 in efficient forum reading:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 08:50
Jlall, on Dec 2 2009, 08:43 AM, said:
Yes, when responder has shown values then a new suit by the T/O Xer is forcing. This includes even a freebid at the 1 level like 1C X 1D 1S p 2H is forcing. Maybe in the modern game it shouldn't be since the 1S bid could be very light, but that's how it is currently played.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
Forcing? It seems to waste a lot of bidding space and appears to duplicate a qbid in this situation. In your example hand what is 3♥ or 4♥ instead of 2♥?
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Posted 2009-December-02, 10:15
Yes, still forcing. Jumps show extra trump length. Forcing becuase you don't double and then bid with trash.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 10:36
Also, as a conventional idea...playing either a leb-type structure or a Good 2NT by responder after doubler's rebid: e.g. if advancer bids 2N it shows a decent hand (like 5-9), and anything else is just desire to get out cheaply unless opener can make game opp. nothing.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 10:45
Jlall, on Dec 2 2009, 08:43 AM, said:
Yes, when responder has shown values then a new suit by the T/O Xer is forcing. This includes even a freebid at the 1 level like 1C X 1D 1S p 2H is forcing. Maybe in the modern game it shouldn't be since the 1S bid could be very light, but that's how it is currently played.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
Right ditto to all.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 11:15
pooltuna, on Dec 2 2009, 09:50 AM, said:
Jlall, on Dec 2 2009, 08:43 AM, said:
Yes, when responder has shown values then a new suit by the T/O Xer is forcing. This includes even a freebid at the 1 level like 1C X 1D 1S p 2H is forcing. Maybe in the modern game it shouldn't be since the 1S bid could be very light, but that's how it is currently played.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
Forcing? It seems to waste a lot of bidding space and appears to duplicate a qbid in this situation. In your example hand what is 3♥ or 4♥ instead of 2♥?
What bidding space is wasted? And since when would a cuebid there show hearts? I'm confused.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 12:50
jdonn, on Dec 2 2009, 12:15 PM, said:
pooltuna, on Dec 2 2009, 09:50 AM, said:
Jlall, on Dec 2 2009, 08:43 AM, said:
Yes, when responder has shown values then a new suit by the T/O Xer is forcing. This includes even a freebid at the 1 level like 1C X 1D 1S p 2H is forcing. Maybe in the modern game it shouldn't be since the 1S bid could be very light, but that's how it is currently played.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
CERTAINLY when partner has jumped though a new suit is forcing.
Forcing? It seems to waste a lot of bidding space and appears to duplicate a qbid in this situation. In your example hand what is 3♥ or 4♥ instead of 2♥?
What bidding space is wasted? And since when would a cuebid there show hearts? I'm confused.
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1C X 1D 1S p 2H
what is wasted is a use for (1♣) X (1♦) 1♠; (P) 3♥ or 4♥. Essentially 1♠ is at best a minimal non forcing response so you need to create degrees of meaning with your other available calls
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2009-December-02, 13:00
Now who is wasting bidding space! 
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