[barmar]

Moved two threads to Novice/Beginner forum:

'Bidding' from General Bridge Forum (asked about what to do over partner's 1♣ with 6 diamonds and 3 HCP).

'Pass or 3C' from Natural Bidding.

[barmar]

Moved the thread "Negative Doubles of Overcalls of Strong 1NT Opening" from Expert to Intermediate/Advanced forum.

[cherdano]

mgoetze, on 2013-August-30, 08:15, said:

Since I reported the the thread I'll tell you what I thought: that while perhaps not all experts would immediately assume the same thing, it is hardly an "advanced topic", insofar as "advanced" means something other than "obscure".

(Expert-Class Bridge: "Forum designated for expert bridge players to discuss more advanced topics." Implying that expert bridge players may also discuss less advanced topics elsewhere.)

How is this an obscure topic? Or rather, if this is an obscure topic, what other topics (other than rediscussing opening preempt requirements for the 500th time) are not obscure?
And how is it not an "advanced topic"? Seems to me like you need to know quite a lot about bridge to be confident about the right treatment there.

[Bbradley62]

cherdano, on 2013-September-08, 04:41, said:

How is this an obscure topic? Or rather, if this is an obscure topic, what other topics (other than rediscussing opening preempt requirements for the 500th time) are not obscure?
And how is it not an "advanced topic"? Seems to me like you need to know quite a lot about bridge to be confident about the right treatment there.

I agree with mgoetze that this belongs in Int/Adv, not Expert, but maybe for a completely different reason. OP in that thread asks "what is standard?" He does not ask "how do experts play this?" Standard should include intermediate and advanced players, the bulk of the population, not be restricted to experts.

[barmar]

Moved the thread "playing on ipad problems" from General Bridge Forum to BBO Suppore Forum.

[broze]

Bbradley62, on 2013-September-08, 10:30, said:

I agree with mgoetze that this belongs in Int/Adv, not Expert, but maybe for a completely different reason. OP in that thread asks "what is standard?" He does not ask "how do experts play this?" Standard should include intermediate and advanced players, the bulk of the population, not be restricted to experts.

I also asked "What's best?" and personally I think that the people qualified to answer that are per se experts. I did wonder whether to put the topic in natural bidding discussion but the fact that it has been moved to int/adv means I still don't know what I, as a non-expert, can possibly post in the Expert forums section. Maybe I shall stop and just post everything in 'Interesting Bridge Hands' and 'Natural Bidding'.

mgoetze, on 2013-August-30, 08:15, said:

Since I reported the the thread I'll tell you what I thought: that while perhaps not all experts would immediately assume the same thing, it is hardly an "advanced topic", insofar as "advanced" means something other than "obscure".

Mgoetze, are there any auctions that you would consider worthy of the expert forum? If it is not the obscure stuff (and fwiw I do not consider my topic to be that obscure - I mean, it's a one-round auction) and it's not the basic stuff, then what?

For example, the play of a hand which needs the diagnosis of a winkle squeeze I would consider obscure but I would probably expect only expert players to be able to find it.

Whatever the criteria are for posting in the expert forum at least as a non-expert I can rest easy knowing that should I make a topic that isn't deemed suitable, the BBF experts will quickly fish it out.

[mgoetze]

As a non-expert myself, I thought the principle was pretty clear: non-experts should never start topics in the expert forum. You will get expert answers even if you start your thread elsewhere.

Re: obscure vs. advanced, what I meant to say is that they are independent of each other. As such there isn't even any reason to discuss what is obscure and what isn't. Advanced to me means that the answers go well beyond "double should be penalty, 4NT should show minors" or whatever.

[barmar]

I think the idea is that the expert forum is intended for discussion among experts, not a way to pose questions to experts. It's not "Ask Billy".

[cherdano]

So you are proposing is that moderators are supposed to judge the standard of play of the original poster, rather than the level of the question raised?
Good luck then.

[the hog]

I agree with Cherdano here, Barmar. I think you would be much better off keeping the Expert forums for expert questions and topics. It is impossible to judge the standard of the poster.

[Antrax]

FWIW I thought the expertise of the expert forum would be self-regulated. Post silly stuff in the expert forum and the experts will either shun you or make fun of you.

[aguahombre]

mgoetze, on 2013-September-11, 15:25, said:

As a non-expert myself, I thought the principle was pretty clear: non-experts should never start topics in the expert forum. You will get expert answers even if you start your thread elsewhere.

And I believe that you, a self-proclaimed non-expert are capable of formulating and posting a topic worthy of discussion among yourself, other self-assessed non-experts, and experts in the Expert Forum.

[gwnn]

And I believe you are capable of reading the forum descriptions, aguahombre.

"Forum designated for expert bridge players to discuss more advanced topics."

[barmar]

cherdano, on 2013-September-12, 10:24, said:

So you are proposing is that moderators are supposed to judge the standard of play of the original poster, rather than the level of the question raised?
Good luck then.

No, I'm not proposing that at all. I look at the question and decide whether it seems like something experts would consider worth posing to each other.

I.e., would I expect to see it in Master Solver's Club or Ask Billy?

[broze]

gwnn, on 2013-September-13, 01:05, said:

And I believe you are capable of reading the forum descriptions, aguahombre.

"Forum designated for expert bridge players to discuss more advanced topics."

So should someone understand from all this that no non-experts can so much as comment in the expert forum?

If so I just won't bother and I'll have to prevent myself from asking questions in expert threads as well for the fear of being seen to be "asking Billy".

[aguahombre]

gwnn, on 2013-September-13, 01:05, said:

And I believe you are capable of reading the forum descriptions, aguahombre.

"Forum designated for expert bridge players to discuss more advanced topics."

And I believe you are capable of reading what you quote. That description does not preclude non-experts from starting a topic for experts to discuss.

[barmar]

aguahombre, on 2013-September-27, 08:53, said:

And I believe you are capable of reading what you quote. That description does not preclude non-experts from starting a topic for experts to discuss.

Right. It would be like an average player sending a hand to Bridge World, suggesting they include it in Master Solver's Club.

However, when you do so, you should be prepared for the reaction if they don't consider it worthy. If you're a novice, lots of things may seem difficult that are relatively routine for experts. As a result, the thread may get moved to the beginner or intermediate forum.

[gwnn]

Bold face added by me, sorry if this bothers you.

aguahombre, on 2013-September-27, 08:53, said:

And I believe you are capable of reading what you quote. That description does not preclude non-experts from starting a topic for experts to discuss.

And are you capable of reading your own post from before?

You said:

And I believe that you, a self-proclaimed non-expert are capable of formulating and posting a topic worthy of discussion among yourself, other self-assessed non-experts, and experts in the Expert Forum.

Moving goalposts much?

[aguahombre]

If it said, "only for experts" to discuss and for all others to dummy up without even asking tag-on questions ---then I would agree with you.

Anyway, I am perfectly content to see a "more advanced" topic posted there regardless of the OP's perceived expertise ---and for mere mortals to participate with pertinent follow-up questions.

[gwnn]

I mean sure, if there is a room designated for smoking there may be people who are riding bicycles, playing baseball, singing, jumping up and down, etc. But that is not what is supposed to happen there, at least not mostly. Or a less silly example, it's like having yoga lessons designated for more advanced practitioners but flooded by people who have no idea how to spell yoga.