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Best Use of 4NT Good Raise or Two-Suiter

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Posted 2004-June-25, 18:17


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West North East South

 -     1♠    2♣    4♠
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 

This hand was from the European Championships.

At the table that I was kibitzing the West player made the IMO very poor call of doubling 4♠.

One of the commentators suggested that 4NT should be a good raise to 5♣ in this situation (West seat).

I normally use 4NT as a two-suiter here.

What do you think is the best use of 4NT?

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Posted 2004-June-25, 19:17

Funny that you ask - this auction came up in the recent USBF finals (board 23) and Zia-Rosenberg uses that exact treatment (4N = club slam try). So you can count that as one endorsement.

On a frequency basis it makes sense to me.
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Posted 2004-June-25, 19:37

Thanks.

When I get time I will do a simulation to see what the frequency and likely gains
are from the two treatments.
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Posted 2004-June-25, 20:09

Hmmm.....

Here is what I like.

Dbl is for takeout until we have found a fit (regardless of level).
2NT/4NT are artificial.

So, if auciton is.....

(4♠)-4NT is a two suiter

If auction is
(1♠)-2♣-(4♠)-Dbl would be the two suiter, this frees up 4NT.

The question becomes should a direct 5♣ be the stronger bid or should 4NT be the stronger bid? I like the 4NT showing good raise or better, and immediate club raise as weaker.

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Posted 2004-June-27, 12:30

inquiry, on Jun 25 2004, 09:09 PM, said:

Dbl is for takeout until we have found a fit (regardless of level).
2NT/4NT are artificial.

(4♠)-4NT is a two suiter

If auction is
(1♠)-2♣-(4♠)-Dbl would be the two suiter, this frees up 4NT.

The question becomes should a direct 5♣ be the stronger bid or should 4NT be the stronger bid? I like the 4NT showing good raise or better, and immediate club raise as weaker.

Ben

That's what I play. I think the X by West was one of these "I don't know pd" X

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Posted 2004-June-27, 12:48

Trpltrbl, on Jun 27 2004, 03:30 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jun 25 2004, 09:09 PM, said:

If auction is
(1♠)-2♣-(4♠)-Dbl would be the two suiter, this frees up 4NT.

That's what I play. I think the X by West was one of these "I don't know pd" X


Do you make this I don't know double with an extreme two-suiter.

Something like:


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Posted 2004-June-27, 14:20

I don't play the "Idon't know" X
But with exapmle you gave me I would X, since I play that as a 2 suiter.

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