[Mbodell]

Scoring: IMP

P - P - 1♦ - 1♥
X - P - 2♣ - P
P - 2♥ - X - P
??

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[gnasher]

I don't think much of the choices you've offered. We have four-card club support with everything in partner's suits, and partner has a good hand. Why would we chose a non-fit or a pass?

The only question is how many clubs to bid. If partner were 3154 he'd show his shape with 2♠, so his most likely shape is 2254. If he has Ax xx AQJxx AKxx we make 5♣ if clubs are 3-2, but that hand is probably too good to have bid only 2♣. I bid 3♣.

[andy_h]

3♣. Partner has a few extra values and is probably trying to give us a chance to pass so he's probably 3154. I'm not sure what partner's 1NT opening style is but with 2254 and 15-16ish I would have hoped he'd open it 1NT. So, maybe typical hands might be Axx x AJxxx AKxx or Kxx x AQxxx AKxx or Kxx x AQJxx AKxx or Qxx x AQJxx AKxx. I think game's pretty unlikely.

[Fluffy]

yeah me too 3♣ partner deserves a raise

[jdonn]

I think a lot of variations are possible in partner's shape (see below), he just doubles on a hand with extras where he is happy for us to pass.

I bid 4♣ we fit partner extremely well and could have enough for game. Ax xx AQTxx AKxx for example. Or Axx x AJxxx AKxx. Maybe x Kx AQxxxx AKxx. They may not all be cold games but they are games I want to be in. And none are 3♣ rebids the round before so they are all possible.

Can we please include "other" as an option in bridge polls? I can't remember the last one when it wasn't needed.

[aguahombre]

if someone stole the 4C card from my box, I would borrow one. I suspect that happened because it is not in the poll.

[skjaeran]

I'd have raised to 3♣ last round. Game is still possible IMO, agree with Josh on hands not worth a jump rebid by opener. Now I'm giving partner 4♣.

[Jlall]

I don't agree with josh's examples, I think 3154 and 2164 are not possible (2S and 2N bids respectively).

[Mbodell]

Interesting, I hadn't considered 4♣. I guess the question now is, given there was a BIT before partner's X does that suggest one LA over the others. Given the answers in the polling and responses it seems the LA are 3♣ or 4♣. At the table I bid 3♣ and partner made 4 but the opponents wanted to get to play 2♥x. Partner was 2164 (although I agree with Jlall that 2nt would have been better for this shape).

[jdeegan]

P or 3♣ depending on the state of the match. Pard is advertising 1-3-5-4 distribution with a good 15 up to 17 HCP. 3♣ figures to make safely enough. Chances to barbeque 2♥ look pretty good, but once in a while it will make. If we are winning comfortably I bid 3♣, otherwise with 23 HCP + or - and they have only seven trumps (usually) I pass, He did not open 1NT with 15-17 HCP, so his chances of being 2-2-5-4 are reduced. Also, he is not supposed to value finessible heart honors for his double.

[Phil]

Mbodell, on Nov 3 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

...but the opponents wanted to get to play 2♥x.

LOL

[wank]

i don't see what's wrong with X on a 2164 shape - opposite 5413, it's likely 2s is the best contract.

[suokko]

How partner can have anything more than horrible 16 count? I had a feeling that competitive auction changes the rules of openers rebid and 3♣ before would be jsut invitational and non-forcing so partner can't have good enough hand for game to be good after 2♣. Also setting 2 ♥ is unlikely gamble in teams so in my option automatic raise to 3♣.

[jdonn]

wank, on Nov 5 2009, 11:05 AM, said:

i don't see what's wrong with X on a 2164 shape - opposite 5413, it's likely 2s is the best contract.

I agree. And opposite 4513, 2♥x is likely the best contract.

[Jlall]

jdonn, on Nov 5 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

wank, on Nov 5 2009, 11:05 AM, said:

i don't see what's wrong with X on a 2164 shape - opposite 5413, it's likely 2s is the best contract.

I agree.

LOL

[jdeegan]

wank, on Nov 5 2009, 11:05 AM, said:

i don't see what's wrong with X on a 2164 shape - opposite 5413, it's likely 2s is the best contract.

With 5♠, I wud have bid 1♠ over 1♥. Overuse of the negative double at the 1 level irritates me no end. No need to gamble, just bid zee hand.

I truly prefer the old fashioned sputnick double where u can bid 1♠ on 4 pieces if they are good enuf to play opposite 3 small. I am nv and at the 2♠ level on an undisclosed and playable 7 card fit early in a competitive auction - sweet.

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Nov 5 2009, 12:12 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 5 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

wank, on Nov 5 2009, 11:05 AM, said:

i don't see what's wrong with X on a 2164 shape - opposite 5413, it's likely 2s is the best contract.

I agree.

LOL

I just realized why I got LOLed!