[flytoox]

West deal, NS vul.
Playing 2/1, sitting south, you hold:
S: T
H: KJ
D: QJ964
C: A9642

W N E S
P 1S P 1N*
P 2H P 2N
P 3C P ??

1N is semi-forcing.

What do you bid now?

[Jlall]

3d

[Hanoi5]

4♣

[DWM]

3NT

[flytoox]

Jlall, on Oct 21 2009, 08:21 AM, said:

3d

Justin, what 3D should be read as? Is it a good raise of club or just showing strength in diamond？

[bid_em_up]

Assuming partner has shown a 5-4-1-3 or 5-4-0-4 hand, if I think partner will understand it, I will bid 4♠. This cannot be to play and must be a splinter agreeing clubs.

If I don't think partner will understand 4♠, I'll have to be satisfied with 5♣, even though I'd like to bid 6.

jmoo.

[pooltuna]

flytoox, on Oct 21 2009, 03:17 AM, said:

West deal, NS vul.
Playing 2/1, sitting south, you hold:
S: T
H: KJ
D: QJ964
C: A9642

W N E S
P 1S P 1N*
P 2H P 2N
P 3C P ??

1N is semi-forcing.

What do you bid now?

I choose to struggle in 3NT

[andy_h]

3♦. This gets both worlds for partner to pattern out since we need to know how many clubs partner has. This is like temporising and would most likely contain club support unless we're 2344 or maybe 1354 to find out about a major suit fit. If partner has 5413 then he will bid 3NT over our 3♦.

[jdonn]

3♦ is a good bid, aiming for 3NT if partner is 5413 but clubs if partner is 5404.

[ONEferBRID]

bid_em_up, on Oct 21 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

Assuming partner has shown a 5-4-1-3 or 5-4-0-4 hand, if I think partner will understand it, I will bid 4♠.  This cannot be to play and must be a splinter agreeing clubs.

If I don't think partner will understand 4♠, I'll have to be satisfied with 5♣, even though I'd like to bid 6.

jmoo.

Partner must have a little bit extra to bid his shape over 2NT.
As much as I like splinters, I'm worried about 4♠!

Partner is either stiff or void in Diam ( as others have said ).

With a fit ( in Clubs ) you don't need a full allotment of hcp for lots of tricks ( 11 or 12 even )
The ♥ K J should be golden.

I'd bid 4♦!-jump , Redwood ( key card for Cl ), if that is in your arsenal.
If not, I too would have to be satisfied with 5♣ .

[Phil]

I like 3N at MPs. I think this is the wrong kind of hand to look for 6♣ on and I think 630 is just too likely here.

At IMPs, 3♦, aiming for the best game.

Josh - we had some back and forth earlier this year about this sequence. Weren't you suggesting that both 3m and 3♥ were NF? Or do I have it backwards?

[aguahombre]

At MP or at IMPs, 3D will get us to 3NT or 5C, depending on whether opener is 1-3 or 0-4 in the minors, and I am content with that. If there is a magic club slam on our combined 24 working points, I don't expect to lose anything by not bidding it --but plus at the right game vs minus in the wrong one could hurt. And, as often is the case, partner gets to participate in the decision and take some of the charge if we get it wrong. If I just bid 3NT, I get the whole charge whether I guessed right or wrong.

[Jlall]

flytoox, on Oct 21 2009, 07:09 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 21 2009, 08:21 AM, said:

3d

Justin, what 3D should be read as? Is it a good raise of club or just showing strength in diamond？

Just a punt probing for the right game. Obviously it will contain some club length since we don't have length anywhere else, but it keeps 5-2 spade fits and 4-3 heart fits in play as well. Partner would generally bid 3N with 5413, or 3H with 5503, or maybe rebid a strong spade suit if he had one and wanted to aim for 3N. He could bid 4C with 5404 if he wanted.

With my actual hand obviously my goal is what josh said, getting to 5C opposite 5404 and 3N opp 5413. I plan on bidding 3N over a 3M bid from partner.

[Jlall]

Phil, on Oct 21 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Josh - we had some back and forth earlier this year about this sequence. Weren't you suggesting that both 3m and 3♥ were NF? Or do I have it backwards?

You are thinking of a completely different auction. Playing 3D as natural non forcing here wouldn't make much sense at all.

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Oct 21 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

Phil, on Oct 21 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Josh - we had some back and forth earlier this year about this sequence. Weren't you suggesting that both 3m and 3♥ were NF? Or do I have it backwards?

You are thinking of a completely different auction. Playing 3D as natural non forcing here wouldn't make much sense at all.

I think he is referring to if opener's third bid is either 3m or 3♥ over 2NT. But I don't remember having that discussion, and I think all opener's bids like that should be forcing.

[cherdanno]

jdonn, on Oct 21 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 21 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

Phil, on Oct 21 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Josh - we had some back and forth earlier this year about this sequence. Weren't you suggesting that both 3m and 3♥ were NF? Or do I have it backwards?

You are thinking of a completely different auction. Playing 3D as natural non forcing here wouldn't make much sense at all.

I think he is referring to if opener's third bid is either 3m or 3♥ over 2NT. But I don't remember having that discussion, and I think all opener's bids like that should be forcing.

Phil, maybe you were referring to http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=397030 ?

[Phil]

cherdanno, on Oct 21 2009, 06:01 PM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 21 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 21 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

Phil, on Oct 21 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Josh - we had some back and forth earlier this year about this sequence. Weren't you suggesting that both 3m and 3♥ were NF? Or do I have it backwards?

You are thinking of a completely different auction. Playing 3D as natural non forcing here wouldn't make much sense at all.

I think he is referring to if opener's third bid is either 3m or 3♥ over 2NT. But I don't remember having that discussion, and I think all opener's bids like that should be forcing.

Phil, maybe you were referring to http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=397030 ?

No I wasn't. Josh (I think) has it right. We were discussing:

1♠ - 1N
2♥ - 2N
3♣/3♦/3♥ and maybe even 3♠

I think Josh plays all of these as forcing, but I play 3♥ as NF.

[flytoox]

I like to play any bid over 2N as forcing to game. Easy to remember at least.

[Jlall]

You can use a very simple relay in that auction to distinguish between non forcing and forcing hands, surprised it's not more popular. Or just start playing precision

[Winstonm]

I believe the question here to determine is whether or not this auction is forcing only to 3N or 4C. Seems a stretch to me to make it forcing to 5-of-a-minor.