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Hand from 8th European champions Cup
4♥, 4♠ , 5NT were alerted in the vugraph.
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Can someone explain this bidding sequence?
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Will everyone bid 6C?
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Posted 2009-October-18, 08:48
A2003, on Oct 18 2009, 09:45 AM, said:
Hand from 8th European champions Cup
4♥, 4♠ , 5NT were alerted in the vugraph.
Handviewer Link did not pick up.
Can someone explain this bidding sequence?
4♥, 4♠ , 5NT were alerted in the vugraph.
Handviewer Link did not pick up.
Can someone explain this bidding sequence?
Seems like the question is why don't they get to 7♣?
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Posted 2009-October-18, 08:53
I think:
4♥ was slam interest in clubs
4♠ is good hand for clubs and cue.
5NT is pick a slam (clubs or NT)
4♥ was slam interest in clubs
4♠ is good hand for clubs and cue.
5NT is pick a slam (clubs or NT)
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Posted 2009-October-18, 10:29
I'll guess that 4H was a transfer to spades. 5N cancelled the spade message and transferred to clubs.
How after all, do most pairs get clubs played by opener after a 2N opening?
It troubles me a little that opener has such a good hand for clubs and my guess doesn't allow that he ever showed this.
On the other hand, responder has to think that 6C has reasonable play against many 2N openers. Perhaps opener wanted to bid 7C and had to show restraint.
As far as choice of slams, it seems like clubs will be the best slam against most of opener's holdings so I doubt the choice was offered.
How after all, do most pairs get clubs played by opener after a 2N opening?
It troubles me a little that opener has such a good hand for clubs and my guess doesn't allow that he ever showed this.
On the other hand, responder has to think that 6C has reasonable play against many 2N openers. Perhaps opener wanted to bid 7C and had to show restraint.
As far as choice of slams, it seems like clubs will be the best slam against most of opener's holdings so I doubt the choice was offered.
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Posted 2009-October-18, 12:03
I think the Italians play 2N p 4C=hearts, 2N p 4D=spades. By extension they probably play 2N p 4H=clubs and 2N p 4S=diamonds.
After 4H 4S was probably a cuebid, and 5N was a transfer to 6C. Yes usually 5N means pick a slam, but here west really wants east to declare so pick a slam really just means always pick clubs since otherwise I would have to bid 6C on hands that always want to play clubs.
After 4H 4S was probably a cuebid, and 5N was a transfer to 6C. Yes usually 5N means pick a slam, but here west really wants east to declare so pick a slam really just means always pick clubs since otherwise I would have to bid 6C on hands that always want to play clubs.
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Posted 2009-October-18, 12:25
I am not familiar with the highest if the levels, but at the level I move, I haven't EVER seen a 5NT pick a slam made by a european pair. This allways sounds like an american thing to me.
Retransfer sounds like the best explanation, since east has the alltime nuts he is never rejecting anything.
Retransfer sounds like the best explanation, since east has the alltime nuts he is never rejecting anything.
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Posted 2009-October-18, 12:28
Pretty sure the concept of 5N pick a slam was orginally Italian, and that I have seen them use it. Not sure about other Europeans. Anyways an analagous auction that comes up in a reasonably common situation is:
2N 3S
3N 4D
4S 5N
3S=forces 3N
4D=slam try in clubs
4S=answering keycards
5N=transfer back to clubs rather than pick a slam, because the whole point of 4D showing clubs is to rightside clubs.
2N 3S
3N 4D
4S 5N
3S=forces 3N
4D=slam try in clubs
4S=answering keycards
5N=transfer back to clubs rather than pick a slam, because the whole point of 4D showing clubs is to rightside clubs.
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Posted 2009-October-18, 12:54
I think Jlall and Fluffy are right. If they're playing 4C=H and 4D=S, then 4H=C, but 4S may not be a cue (showing a spade control). It may be a step response showing a high level of interest in clubs because space is limited for cue bids. 5N would be a transfer.
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