[zheddh]

Playing MPs, vul against not, you hold

Scoring: MP

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The auction goes

1♣ - (2♦) - ?

2♦ is explained as 6+ diamonds, 11-15 points

[jdonn]

I'll chance bidding my 9 card suit.

[aguahombre]

jdonn, on Sep 28 2009, 12:30 PM, said:

I'll chance bidding my 9 card suit.

never known you to be shy. What level?

[EricK]

But at what level?

Last time I held a similar hand on this sort of auction I bid 4♥ and it worked out well.

[Anecdote]I knew it would work out well as I remembered the hand from the previous week. Apparently the people on the first table had omitted to shuffle and deal the cards at the start of the evening. As we only got to the hand towards the end of the evening, after many pairs had already (re)played it, I didn't think it worth the hassle to point this out to anyone.[/anecdote]

[andy_h]

What's with the questions of asking at what level? We have a 9card suit and partner has opened!

[neilkaz]

jdonn, on Sep 28 2009, 12:30 PM, said:

I'll chance bidding my 9 card suit.

Me too and at the 4 level.

[Fluffy]

4♥ is to likelly to come back with a double from partner next. I don't like it but I am gonna pass one round.

[Jlall]

Fluffy, on Sep 29 2009, 03:29 AM, said:

4♥ is to likelly to come back with a double from partner next. I don't like it but I am gonna pass one round.

If partner doubles on an auction where we often have 0 tricks and almost certainly have at least 1 (ie when we preempt), I bet we usually beat it!

[Fluffy]

so you state that 4♥ (preemptive vs preemptive?) vul vs not normally has 0 defensive tricks, and that this hand actually has 1?

well I disagree.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

2H.

I guess this is forcing, but even if nonforcing I would go with 2H,
after 2H I will get another chance to bid.

The problem with 4H is, that it could be a fit jump, if you dont play
fit jumps, than 4H looks better.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[zheddh]

P_Marlowe, on Sep 29 2009, 04:37 AM, said:

Hi,

2H.

I guess this is forcing, but even if nonforcing I would go with 2H,
after 2H I will get another chance to bid.

The problem with 4H is, that it could be a fit jump, if you dont play
fit jumps, than 4H looks better.

With kind regards
Marlowe

2H is forcing 1 round. We don't play fit jumps.

[655321]

4♥

[Jlall]

Fluffy, on Sep 29 2009, 04:32 AM, said:

so you state that 4♥ (preemptive vs preemptive?) vul vs not normally has 0 defensive tricks, and that this hand actually has 1?

well I disagree.

Obv when I said "least" I meant to write "most" in this context (otherwise the 2 parts of the sentence make no sense at all).

[Codo]

So we fail 3 times doubled opposite?
xxxx,
-
Kxxx
AKQxx

Or did partner drove us to a failing slam with:
AKQ, Kx, Axxx,Axx


What happened, that you have to ask about an obvious bid....

[pooltuna]

zheddh, on Sep 28 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

Playing MPs, vul against not, you hold

Scoring: MP

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The auction goes

1♣ - (2♦) - ?

2♦ is explained as 6+ diamonds, 11-15 points

Your problem is not the opponents but your partner even a 4♥ bid at this point could put you into an unmakeable slam. My best guess is that you need to take the last call which means you have to pass at this stage ready to make your upcoming 4 or 5♥ call next round.

[Fluffy]

Jlall, on Sep 29 2009, 10:54 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Sep 29 2009, 04:32 AM, said:

so you state that 4♥ (preemptive vs preemptive?) vul vs not normally has 0 defensive tricks, and that this hand actually has 1?

well I disagree.

Obv when I said "least" I meant to write "most" in this context (otherwise the 2 parts of the sentence make no sense at all).

Thanks that least thing was making me crazy. Thinking I was missing something misstranslating.


I still disagree that partner won't expect any defensive tricks for a vulnerable jump to game against a preemptive bid.

[Codo]

I do belive that partner may double 5 diamond and I am prepared to bid 5 heart then. I did not promise a hand with no defence so far. So I am willing to overrule him once in my life, but a 9 card suit should be an excuse.

And we must take some risk because the bidding may not develop in a way we want it if we pass now, intending to bid hearts later.
What shall partner do after 1♣ (2♦) pass (pass) wit a Axx,Ax,xxxx.Axxx or similar hands?

So, I won't pass.

[pooltuna]

Codo, on Sep 29 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

I do belive that partner may double 5 diamond and I am prepared to bid 5 heart then. I did not promise a hand with no defence so far. So I am willing to overrule him once in my life, but a 9 card suit should be an excuse.

And we must take some risk because the bidding may not develop in a way we want it if we pass now, intending to bid hearts later.
What shall partner do after 1♣ (2♦) pass (pass) wit a Axx,Ax,xxxx.Axxx or similar hands?

So, I won't pass.

well it may be a concern but I only have 1 HCP! How many do you think the 2♦ preemptor has? Having added our and RHO's HCP do you really think partner only has 12 with a quiet LHO after we pass? Even worse after our 4♥ bid and 5♦ from LHO do you think partner is going to just bid 5♥ with say

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[aguahombre]

We have discussed what "preemptive" means before, but the 2D call was constructive (11-15) in nature, So the comments about preempting over preempts do not really apply. What does apply, is the thoughtful consideration by some people about the effect a 4H(or 2H) bid will have on partner who might not expect zero defense.

I don't claim to know what to do with this mess you were dealt, but I do know that dismissing it as 4H WTP can't be right, whether you choose 4H or not.

[woefuwabit]

Codo, on Sep 29 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

And we must take some risk because the bidding may not develop in a way we want it if we pass now, intending to bid hearts later.
What shall partner do after 1♣ (2♦) pass (pass) wit a Axx,Ax,xxxx.Axxx or similar hands?

So, I won't pass.

With that hand from partner, LHO will have something like KQxxx KQ Qx KJxx
Neither of them are going to pass.

An immediate 4♥ is too risky - partner is likely to take you to slam or double an making contract. I'd pass first, then bid 4 or 5♥s