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Posted 2009-September-06, 06:38

w vs r:

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♥AK7
♦AQJ9xxxx
♣xx

It goes:
1♠ 2♦
2♠ 3♦
3♠ 4♦
5♦ ???

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-September-06, 07:00

5♥
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Posted 2009-September-06, 07:06

Hanoi5, on Sep 6 2009, 07:38 AM, said:

w vs r:

♠
♥AK7
♦AQJ9xxxx
♣xx

It goes:
1♠ 2♦
2♠ 3♦
3♠ 4♦
5♦ ???

I hate 3♦ unless it was forcing. But yes I bite the bullet and bid 6
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Posted 2009-September-06, 07:20

Pass of course.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 07:53

I think, Pass is clear cut.

4D should have set diamonds as tumps and should also have shown
serious slam interest, so 5D was the weakes bid partner had av.
If you bid slam now, your intention was to bid slam after partner opened,
because at every turn your partner choose to make the weakes bid.

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Posted 2009-September-06, 08:00

pooltuna, on Sep 7 2009, 12:06 AM, said:

Hanoi5, on Sep 6 2009, 07:38 AM, said:

w vs r:

♠
♥AK7
♦AQJ9xxxx
♣xx

It goes:
1♠ 2♦
2♠ 3♦
3♠ 4♦
5♦ ???

I hate 3♦ unless it was forcing. But yes I bite the bullet and bid 6

!? unless it was forcing? You really thought someone will bid this NF 3♦ with *8* of them after partner opened?

I would pass 5♦ and thought it was an easy pass. Partner could have done something over 4♦ if he has any life but didn't. 5♦ could even be going down if partner has nothing in clubs...
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Posted 2009-September-06, 10:32

pass 5♦.

2♠ was weak,
3♠ was weaker still,
5♦ was still screaming WEAK...
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Posted 2009-September-06, 11:07

Pass.

We probably have a diamond loser and a club loser. Frankly we might be too high ;)
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Posted 2009-September-06, 11:11

Phil, on Sep 6 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

Pass.

We probably have a diamond loser and a club loser. Frankly we might be too high ;)

yep. And obviously the OP's 3D was forcing in their agreements, or he wouldn't have given it with that hand. Partner has had enough chances to help, time to pass.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 11:24

If this was my auction, in 2/1:
1S-2D (GF nat)
2S-3D (2S does not promise six, 3D extra length)
3S-4D (six spades, 4D sets diamonds and slam interest)
5D-P (5D=nothing to cue, can't RKC either)
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Posted 2009-September-06, 11:25

I don't have the luxury of forcing 3D in this auction so it would be:

1S-2D
2S-3C
3S-5D
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Posted 2009-September-06, 12:42

Even if 3♦ is forcing what would 4♦ mean?
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Posted 2009-September-06, 13:54

Cascade, on Sep 6 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Even if 3♦ is forcing what would 4♦ mean?

maybe diamondwood, or maybe they just don't like to jump around in GF auctions.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 16:37

Cascade, on Sep 6 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Even if 3♦ is forcing what would 4♦ mean?

A picture jump. Spade support, great diamonds, no side controls.

On the actual hand -- pass. Partner doesn't have the King of diamonds and the Ace of clubs or the Ace and King of clubs.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 19:08

kenrexford, on Sep 6 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

Cascade, on Sep 6 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Even if 3♦ is forcing what would 4♦ mean?

A picture jump. Spade support, great diamonds, no side controls.

On the actual hand -- pass. Partner doesn't have the King of diamonds and the Ace of clubs or the Ace and King of clubs.

actually, since 2S did not guarantee 6, 4S--not 4D should show that picture bid. However, the conclusion that opener does not have the ak of clubs or the king of diamonds and a club control is still absolute
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Posted 2009-September-06, 23:08

:) Pass
I can't imagine any other bid. Partner has a min opener with 6 or 7 ♠. 6♦ could be on, but we shouldn't dream of bidding it on this ugly, ugly auction.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 23:54

Phil, on Sep 7 2009, 12:07 AM, said:

Pass.

We probably have a diamond loser and a club loser. Frankly we might be too high :angry:

Agree. Pass is clear. 5D could even be a void.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 03:38

You didn't manage to sort out whether pard has a min or not, so you're on a bit of a guess here.

Better pass.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 04:18

aguahombre, on Sep 6 2009, 08:08 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 6 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

Cascade, on Sep 6 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Even if 3♦ is forcing what would 4♦ mean?

A picture jump. Spade support, great diamonds, no side controls.

On the actual hand -- pass. Partner doesn't have the King of diamonds and the Ace of clubs or the Ace and King of clubs.

actually, since 2S did not guarantee 6, 4S--not 4D should show that picture bid. However, the conclusion that opener does not have the ak of clubs or the king of diamonds and a club control is still absolute

I did not know that 2♦ denied three spades.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 05:41

I have not enough imagination, 2♦ + 4♦ means we are playing diamonds, probably better than 3, but 3 is reasonable.

As it is now, partner could have ♠KJ10xxxx ♥Qx ♦K ♣Axx and we would have cold slam, but most likelly its that we lose 2 clubs or 1 diamond and 1 club.
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