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ACBL is currently polling some ACBL members regarding several issues including online Sect. and Reg. tourneys.
ACBL/BBO online tourneys
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Posted 2009-June-30, 14:41
Good for them
(and I mean this sincerely)
(and I mean this sincerely)
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Posted 2009-June-30, 14:55
mike777, on Jun 30 2009, 02:58 PM, said:
ACBL is currently polling some ACBL members regarding several issues including online Sect. and Reg. tourneys.
I got this survey too... I honestly answered I would like to see sectional and more tourneys on line. I added in the other comments I would like to see club championships on line.
Anyone who gets this survey should take it... I guess it is about 3 to 5 minutes to fill out.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 15:05
Me too. I'll just throw my comments out there in case anyone else is interested... or wants to help 'correct' my views.
I told them I thought they were generally doing a great job.
I told them that I wouldn't support online tournaments of any real importance because it was just too easy to cheat.
I also expressed disappointment at hard it was to figure out which conventions were legal and which weren't.
I told them I thought they were generally doing a great job.
I told them that I wouldn't support online tournaments of any real importance because it was just too easy to cheat.
I also expressed disappointment at hard it was to figure out which conventions were legal and which weren't.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 15:57
I answered in favor of online sectionals and not regionals.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 16:04
I got it too. I thought that more of the questions needed a "don't know" option.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-June-30, 16:45
inquiry, on Jun 30 2009, 03:55 PM, said:
mike777, on Jun 30 2009, 02:58 PM, said:
ACBL is currently polling some ACBL members regarding several issues including online Sect. and Reg. tourneys.
I got this survey too... I honestly answered I would like to see sectional and more tourneys on line. I added in the other comments I would like to see club championships on line.
Anyone who gets this survey should take it... I guess it is about 3 to 5 minutes to fill out.
I got the survey e-mail also, but I thought it was a phishing e-mail because there was no ACBL logo anywhere; it was generic in its signature with no name; ACBL has a "Marketing Department", not a "Marketing Team". And finally, there is no mention of this *seventh annual membership survey* [according to the email text] on the ACBL website.
You folks seem to think it is a legitimate ACBL survey. I just didn't want to click on some strange zoomerang.com/survey link given that there was no ACBL identifying information in the invite.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 18:29
Yep I answered the same as you Ben.
But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room.
0 cheating that way.
But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room.
0 cheating that way.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 19:09
I received the survey, too and I answered it. Maybe it is spam...maybe it isn't. They already had my email address and knew I was an ACBL member so I figured why not answer it? I thought it asked some good questions regarding online games and the possible direction of the future of online gaming. I thought it also asked some good questions about current articles in our ACBL Bridge Bulletin. I certainly didn't see that it was getting any extra information about me that I did not wish to share. I'm not that paranoid, yet.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 19:53
Rain, on Jun 30 2009, 07:29 PM, said:
Yep I answered the same as you Ben.
But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room.
0 cheating that way.
But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room.
0 cheating that way.
I also asked for real time updates to online events at all tables on the ACBL webpage. I will not hold my breath for that one.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 20:09
I wonder if any ACBL members who play on BBO didn't get the email? I also got it and haven't gotten around to filling it in yet. I've filled out older ACBL surveys in the past too.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 20:25
inquiry, on Jun 30 2009, 08:53 PM, said:
Rain, on Jun 30 2009, 07:29 PM, said:
Yep I answered the same as you Ben.
But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room.
0 cheating that way.
But in other comments, I added that I want to see finals of major championships played via computer, each player at their computers with proctors/audiences, all 8 players seperated, 1 in each hotel room.
0 cheating that way.
I also asked for real time updates to online events at all tables on the ACBL webpage. I will not hold my breath for that one.
Great idea. thanks.
btw we all know the problems of online tourneys and cheats.....
My take; go for it.....
1) spur more money, time, energy to stop them....
2) I grant true cheats will always be one step ahead..but I can live with that.....
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Posted 2009-July-02, 01:03
I think an online sectional would be terrific. And while they are at it they should have more respect for online points. If they don't want to count them fully toward Life Master status maybe they should create an Online Master designation.
Cheating is a problem but I don't really think it happens much in the speedball games. Then again maybe I am just naive.
Cheating is a problem but I don't really think it happens much in the speedball games. Then again maybe I am just naive.
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Posted 2009-July-02, 01:09
I think cheating is a problem and a big hurdle to overcome.
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Posted 2009-July-02, 02:36
Wow I would be really opposed to this, guess I'm the only one 
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Somewhat related, I would like to have acbl points awarded for robot matchpoint games: what a wonderful event.
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Posted 2009-July-02, 07:50
Jlall, on Jul 2 2009, 03:36 AM, said:
Wow I would be really opposed to this, guess I'm the only one
Nope
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2009-July-02, 07:55
Jlall, on Jul 2 2009, 03:36 AM, said:
Wow I would be really opposed to this, guess I'm the only one
You are not alone
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Posted 2009-July-02, 08:14
I would like to see a greater variety of online tournaments offered. If ACBL wants to undertake this, great. It does not really matter to me that they would be called "sectional" or "regional" tournaments, nor would it bother me if the points awarded in these tournaments were silver, red or gold.
Could such events undermine the efforts of sectional and regional tournament organizers and have a negative effect on attendance at "in person" tournaments? Sure. But, would I care if there were no side-game series at a regional? Not at all.
I would not mind if regionals in general were smaller tournaments focused more on Flight A/Open events. If the availability of online sectional and regional tournaments causes this to be the case, that's a beneficial side effect as far as I am concerned.
Could such events undermine the efforts of sectional and regional tournament organizers and have a negative effect on attendance at "in person" tournaments? Sure. But, would I care if there were no side-game series at a regional? Not at all.
I would not mind if regionals in general were smaller tournaments focused more on Flight A/Open events. If the availability of online sectional and regional tournaments causes this to be the case, that's a beneficial side effect as far as I am concerned.
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Posted 2009-July-02, 08:33
I am an ACBL member who plays on BBO, and I did not receive the e-mail.
I am in favor of having higher level events than the usual ACBL games on BBO. But security is certainly a problem.
I played in the World Pairs competition on the old E-bridge. When we got to the finals, we were required to have a proctor at each participant's computer. My partner and I were the first alternate pair for the last World Pairs played on e-bridge, and we only played one round (one pair showed up late, so we were excused after one round). I was playing at a local bridge club with the TD serving as the proctor. His job was to make sure that I had no assistance in the tournament, whether by someone in person or by any electronic means of communication.
In a large tournament, that would be highly impractical. However, unusual results can be monitored, and if it is determined that a pair is cheating, steps can be taken - just as is done in live tournaments. It would be done after the fact, but given that the sanctions would probably involve a lifetime ban from all bridge organizations, it would serve as a deterrant.
I am in favor of having higher level events than the usual ACBL games on BBO. But security is certainly a problem.
I played in the World Pairs competition on the old E-bridge. When we got to the finals, we were required to have a proctor at each participant's computer. My partner and I were the first alternate pair for the last World Pairs played on e-bridge, and we only played one round (one pair showed up late, so we were excused after one round). I was playing at a local bridge club with the TD serving as the proctor. His job was to make sure that I had no assistance in the tournament, whether by someone in person or by any electronic means of communication.
In a large tournament, that would be highly impractical. However, unusual results can be monitored, and if it is determined that a pair is cheating, steps can be taken - just as is done in live tournaments. It would be done after the fact, but given that the sanctions would probably involve a lifetime ban from all bridge organizations, it would serve as a deterrant.
