[mohitz]

Scoring: IMP

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How do you bid the grand? in 2/1? in a system of your choice?

Thanks,
Mohit

[TylerE]

1♥-2♦
3♦-4♣
4♥-4NT
5♣/5♦ (Take your pick, whichever shows 4) - 5NT
6♥ (King of hearts) - 7NT (S can count 2♠ + 5♥ + 5♦ + 1♣)

Seems fairly easy, frankly. Much harder if 3♦ doesn't show extras, but in most 2/1 systems it does.

[mike777]

mohitz, on Jun 27 2009, 01:19 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ Axxx ♥ AKxxx ♦ AKxx ♣   ♠ Kx ♥ QTxx ♦ QJxxx ♣ Ax

How do you bid the grand? in 2/1? in a system of your choice?

Thanks,
Mohit

1h=2nt!
3h!=3s!
3nt!=4s!
5c!=5s!
6d!=7h



2nt=strong h raise
3h=void somewhere
'3s=where?
3nt=clubs
4s=rkc
5c=4
5s=specific k ask..grand try
6d=KD

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1H (1) - 2NT (2)
3C (3) - 4H (4)
...
6H (5)

(1) SAYC style
(2) Jacoby, luckily I have 4 hearts and avoid controversy
(3) single or void
(4) min for the gf raise, anything else is just ..., the Ace of
clubs lost lots of its value, and if it looses its full weight
the gf is below min.
(5) after a couple of add. rounds opnener will
sign of in 6H

In my opinion there is no difference to a 2/1 auction.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

My preferred sys:
1♥ - 2♣! (nat 5+♥ ; GF relay except 3♣ rebid)
2♥! - 2♠! (5-4M any strength ; relay without ♠ fit)
2NT! - 3♣! (5440 or 6-5 ; relay)
3♠! - 4♣! (4=5=4=0 16+HCP ; sets ♥ fit)
4♦! - 4♠! (cue ; Kickback RKC)
4NT! - 5♦! (1/4 keycards (void is already known) ; K ask)
6♦! - 7NT (♦K no other Kings outside trumps ; count 13 tricks)

[barryallen]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 27 2009, 05:13 AM, said:

Hi,

1H (1) - 2NT (2)
3C (3) - 4H (4)
...
6H (5)

(1) SAYC style
(2) Jacoby, luckily I have 4 hearts and avoid controversy
(3) single or void
(4) min for the gf raise, anything else is just ..., the Ace of
    clubs lost lots of its value, and if it looses its full weight
    the gf is below min.
(5) after a couple of add. rounds opnener will
    sign of in 6H

In my opinion there is no difference to a 2/1 auction.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Have to agree, rather than fitting in around the known double dummy. But if opener has the foresight to bid 4♠ over your 4♥, then you should get there? Once opener can get you to ask the question, everything should be revealed?

Every slam bidding problem I see such as this always rings the precision bell, but it's not Easter and I don't fancy being nailed up on my own.

[P_Marlowe]

barryallen, on Jun 27 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jun 27 2009, 05:13 AM, said:

Hi,

1H (1) - 2NT (2)
3C (3) - 4H (4)
...
6H (5)

(1) SAYC style
(2) Jacoby, luckily I have 4 hearts and avoid controversy
(3) single or void
(4) min for the gf raise, anything else is just ..., the Ace of
     clubs lost lots of its value, and if it looses its full weight
     the gf is below min.
(5) after a couple of add. rounds opnener will
     sign of in 6H

In my opinion there is no difference to a 2/1 auction.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Have to agree, rather than fitting in around the known double dummy. But if opener has the foresight to bid 4♠ over your 4♥, then you should get there? Once opener can get you to ask the question, everything should be revealed?

Every slam bidding problem I see such as this always rings the precision bell, but it's not Easter and I don't fancy being nailed up on my own.

Good idea and I agree, if opener bids 4S, responder should see the club void,
and if responder starts the asking process, he will discover AK in hearts and
diamonds, and the Ace in spades, and will be able to count 13 tricks, hence
can bid 7NT.

I have to admid, I would not have found the 4S bid, and dont bet on me, that
I read the auction right as responder, sometimes I am awake, but usually I
am dreaming about a world in peace and harmony.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mtvesuvius]

I'm probably in 7♦:

1♣ - 2♣ (16+ Any/5+♦ 8+HCP)
2♦ - 2♠ (Trump Asking/5♦ with 1 of the top 3)
2NT - 3♥ (♠ Asking/K♠ or x♠)
3♠ - 4♣ (♥ Asking/Q♥ or xx♥)
4♦ - 4♥ (KCs for ♦/1 or 4 KCs)
7♦ - P (13 Tricks Easy/Just a pass)

[inquiry]

Scoring: IMP


2♣ - 2♦
2N - 3♣
3N - 4♣
4N♠-5♣
5N - 7♦/7♥
Pass

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This method requires the use of multi 2♦ to cover the strong balanced hands (as well as weak two in major), so that 2♣=2x=2NT can be the three suiter. This is NOT legal in most ACBL events. Bidding a grand here is more or less automatic using this method.

2♣ = acol two in a major, or Game force, or three suiter, 5+ controls, 2=5 losers
2♦ = waiting, promises at least one sure trick
2N = three suiter
3♣ = asking bid to find out about 3 suited hand
3N = 4/5 losers, short club
4♣ = ask about hand
4N = (445)0, four losers
5♣= ask controls, minumum is five, answer in steps
5N = 8 controls.

Opener has at minimum, Axxx AKxx AKxxx void (any five card suit). 6♣ would as for lowest suit missing a queen, but since all queens must be missing (as 8 controls and distribution gives the four losers already). Choice of grand slams is up to responder: at least 4-4 heart fit exist, at least 5-4 diamond fit exist.

For more on this method see....
Chris Rydall description of the method (he doesn't include five card majors)

My first description of it in these forums

A post of mine with many examples.

[Fluffy]

I don't think I'd bid it with confidence, but there are so many extras that I would bid it anyway.

[kenrexford]

1♥-2♦
3♦-3♥(hearts trump)
3♠(1st/2nd-round control)-4♣(non-serious, 1st/2nd-round control)
4♦(LTTC)-4♥(declined)
4NT-5♦(1)
5♥(Q?)-5♠(Y, spade K)
6♦(King or Queen?)-6♠(yes, plus doubleton spade)
7♣(choice?)-7♥(MP)/7♦(IMPs)

or

...4♦(LTTC)-4♠(accepted)
4NT-5♦
5♥-5NT
6♦...

[mikeh]

1♥  2♦
3♦  3♥
3N  4♣
4♦  4♥
5♦  5♠
7♦  7♥

I cannot see using Jacoby with a 5 card side suit, altho I appreciate that others disagree.

3♦ is enough, even tho opener is virtually committed to slam over the 2♦ bid.. this is one of the advantages of 2/1

3♥ shows real heart support, not a mere preference

3N, for me, show a spade cue, with a real slam try.. (3♠ would be a noise... a 'frivolous 3N substitute, showing some mild interest...more than a minimum, but not seriously interested)

4♣ is mandatory, in this scheme, when holding the Ace and responder loves his extra trump, the trump quality and the Kx of spades, even tho the diamonds are suspect

4♦ obvious, I think

4♥ close call... maybe 4♠ would be better... I swung low so as to not seem to be straining to reach the grand

I think that 5♦ is likely to be a more useful cue here... since we can appreciate responder's concern if he has bid 2♦ on Qxxxx(x).. we need to tell him about the AK of diamonds more than we need to tell him about the club void. I think we should assume that partner would NOT have cued 4♣ on a second round control, even tho style says we bid up the line, because he should not cooperate with even a serious slam try with no red card higher than a Queen and no Ace in either black suit.

Responder now should like his hand: he can assume that partner is at worst 2=5=4=2, in which case the second club goes on the long diamond... all he needs for 13 winners is AK of hearts, so would love to bid 5N, GSF, but I don't think that that is what it means... I think it is, for most pairs, pick-a-slam, so I think that S has to find another grand slam try, and fortunately we have one: 5♠ delivers the (probably needed on many layouts) second round control and, by forcing to small slam, shows willingness to co-operate higher.

I hope and think that opener can then picture the trump Queen... and bids 7♦ in case responder is 3=5 or 3=6 in the reds... responder has an easy correction... even a 5-5 diamond fit will almost never play better than the 5=4 heart fit.

It would not surprise me to miss this one, altho I would be mildly disappointed.