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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-June-10, 14:26

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Posted 2009-June-10, 14:38

Not something I would ever do, but penalty, he was lying in wait.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 14:53

Takeout imo.

xxx
x
KJxxx
Qxxx

or so maybe?
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Posted 2009-June-10, 15:12

mtvesuvius, on Jun 11 2009, 08:53 AM, said:

Takeout imo.

xxx
x
KJxxx
Qxxx

or so maybe?

That seems incredibly dangerous on a non-fit auction.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 15:36

Cascade, on Jun 10 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

mtvesuvius, on Jun 11 2009, 08:53 AM, said:

Takeout imo.

xxx
x
KJxxx
Qxxx

or so maybe?

That seems incredibly dangerous on a non-fit auction.

I didn't say it was a good bid
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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:25

I think it's a good bid.
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Posted 2009-June-10, 17:30

gnasher, on Jun 11 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

I think it's a good bid.

Its only good if you have an agreement.

Without an agreement I think I would auto-pass this double.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 00:41

Adam is too young for this stuff. :)

It is called penalty double and was out of fashion even before he was born.

The surprising concept is, that you double them when you think they will fail.

You should play this in junior events and your score will skyrocket through the ceiling.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 01:35

Codo, on Jun 11 2009, 06:41 AM, said:

Adam is too young for this stuff. :)

It is called penalty double and was out of fashion even before he was born.

The surprising concept is, that you double them when you think they will fail.

You should play this in junior events and your score will skyrocket through the ceiling.

But then it's a junior who has opened 1♥ in third seat (as he happens to be, coincidently).
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Posted 2009-June-11, 01:46

Cascade, on Jun 11 2009, 12:30 AM, said:

Its only good if you have an agreement.

I thought we were discussing the merits of (a) agreeing to play this double as takeout and (b) making a takeout double on xxx x KJxxx Qxxx.

If when you said that it was "incredibly dangerous on a non-fit auction" you meant that it was dangerous to do it without prior agreement, I agree.
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Posted 2009-June-11, 03:23

This double doesn't make sense as penalty unless your 3rd seat openings are always real openings, and it doesn't make sense as a general t/o at all.

Btw a hand interested in penalizing opps would start with rdbl, then opener can dbl 1NT if he has a real opening. Or maybe this pair swapped pass and rdbl? Never seen that but I have thought about that it might be fun to play.

I think it should be a specific t/o, probably showing both minors. Not that it will come up very frequently since responder will normally have some spades in this auction. But 5-5 minors is the only thing I can think of.

Without discussion I would never make this dbl.
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