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Specific Ace Ask What would you open?

Poll: "see if you had ace of diamonds and then bid 6"? (43 member(s) have cast votes)

"see if you had ace of diamonds and then bid 6"?

crazy (15 votes [34.88%])
Percentage of vote: 34.88%
optimistic (12 votes [27.91%])
Percentage of vote: 27.91%
a little too optimistic (9 votes [20.93%])
Percentage of vote: 20.93%
reasonable (3 votes [6.98%])
Percentage of vote: 6.98%
brilliant (0 votes [0.00%])
Percentage of vote: 0.00%
WTP? (4 votes [9.30%])
Percentage of vote: 9.30%

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#1 Cascade

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Posted 2009-June-07, 02:14

Scoring: IMP

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What do you think of the quote in the poll?

What would you open? - Use your favourite methods.

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#2 Free

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Posted 2009-June-07, 03:13

If I'd want to ask specific Aces: 2♣ strong, if partner responds 2♦ (positive) I'll bid 4NT specific Ace ask. If he bids 2♥ (negative) then it's no use to ask for Aces and I'll just bid 4♠.

Otherwise just 1♠ or something like that...

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Posted 2009-June-07, 05:12

Just open 1♠ and go slow.

wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.

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#4 dake50

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Posted 2009-June-07, 05:37

I open 1C force, then specific ask in D to find A/AQ/QJ/not and what D-length then I'm well placed to decide how many spades.

#5 whereagles

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Posted 2009-June-07, 05:54

Open 1♠. Who knows, maybe pard has diamonds??

#6 ONEferBRID

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Posted 2009-June-07, 06:52

Pinpoint Blackwood

It is used in 2 situations:
a) an opening bid of 4N and

a response of 4N to an opening bid of 1-of-a-suit bid.

The responses to Pinpoint Blackwood are as follows:

5C = no aces

5D = D-A or 3 aces without the D-A

5H = H-A or 3 aces without the H-A

5S = S-A or 3 aces without the S-A

5N = C-A or 3 aces without the C-A

The next 3 bids show 2 aces using the CRaSh mnemonic for Color, Rank, and Shape

6C = 2 aces, same color, either red or black (D+H or C+S)

6D = 2 aces, same rank, either minor or major (C+D or H+S)

6H = 2 aces, same shape, either pointy or rounded (D+S or C+H)

6S = all 4 aces

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Posted 2009-June-07, 08:08

I'll attempt the flow with the negatives. I wouldn't understand anything else but 1S.

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Posted 2009-June-07, 08:19

ONEferBRID, on Jun 7 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

The responses to Pinpoint Blackwood are as follows:

...

6S = all 4 aces

I can't resist.

LOL.

My poll answer, btw, is wtp? as in wtp 1♠.

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#9 aguahombre

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Posted 2009-June-07, 10:43

the "quote in the Poll" would be nice if partner has some spades. At the start, this is unlikely so the auctions that start off asking for specific aces, or start with 2C and set up demand cue bidding won't work here. therefore, i agree with "1S WTP"

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#10 jdonn

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Posted 2009-June-07, 12:22

I would open 1♠, then bid 3♦, then probably bid 5♠. Doesn't help on the void/singleton issue in the outside suits, but clearly helps on the diamond issue.

I answer the poll question as "optmistic".

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Posted 2009-June-07, 12:32

The poll question is "crazy".

The ♦A is the first of our concerns, although I'm deluding myself if I think I'm going to get more definitive information later.

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#12 Cascade

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Posted 2009-June-07, 13:01

Phil, on Jun 8 2009, 06:32 AM, said:

The poll question is "crazy".

The ♦A is the first of our concerns, although I'm deluding myself if I think I'm going to get more definitive information later.

Question or answer?

Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening? So there is in fact room for some additional information although I am not sure how helpful that is.

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Posted 2009-June-07, 13:04

Cascade writes:
"Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening" .
You should have taken a poll on that.
Now that's "crazy".

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#14 Cascade

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Posted 2009-June-07, 14:32

ONEferBRID, on Jun 8 2009, 07:04 AM, said:

Cascade writes:
"Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening" .
You should have taken a poll on that.
Now that's "crazy".

Why is this crazy?

It is lower than 4NT specific ace ask making it suitable for more hands.

#15 gnasher

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Posted 2009-June-07, 15:32

"Crazy" does seem an overstatement. 3NT as a direct ace ask will be useful very infrequently, but useful nonetheless. Personally I don't find a Gambling 3NT particularly useful, and I tend not to open it even when I'm dealt it.

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

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Posted 2009-June-08, 04:29

What I think? Inadequate methods.

In my regular system I would open 2♣. Partner will either bid 2♦ or show something very specific. On 2♦ I bid 3♠, setting thrumphs.
Thereafter partner can show his values with a bid in the suit at the 4-level, or bid 3NT/4♠ with little or no values. Grand will be difficult to control perfectly, but whether or not to go to 6, or even 5, will often be handled adequately.

Playing Viking-Club, I would open 1♣. Many continuations are possible, but I will know partners excact distribution before 3NT, as well as general strenght, and will very often be able to locate key-cards, or the lack thereoff, in time. (Do we really get to bid without interference.)

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#17 Cascade

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Posted 2009-June-08, 05:33

I really don't like 2♣ on this sort of hand.

Both yourself and partner will not be well placed if the opponents compete. Partner will start doubling thinking you have more power and you will have to pull perhaps to a level you dont want to play at.

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Posted 2009-June-08, 05:44

Cascade, on Jun 8 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

Obviously all roads are frought with danger, but I believe a 1♠ opener could easily get into more trouble.

The best could be a 4♦-Namyats, but I wouldn't dream of playing that convention.

#19 hanp

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Posted 2009-June-09, 13:40

Cascade, on Jun 7 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

Perhaps I should have mentioned that 3NT is the specific ace ask opening? So there is in fact room for some additional information although I am not sure how helpful that is.

Could you elaborate on your agreements here? What do follow up bids mean? If partner shows the diamond ace and no other ace, isn't pretty much any bid now a sign off?

and the result can be plotted on a graph.

#20 P_Marlowe

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Posted 2009-June-10, 00:17

1S.

The Ace of diamonds is not enough.
1S will give you the time to explore, if you fear a cheap sac.
go ahead and bid 4S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: 3NT as specific Ace Ask makes the bid slightly better, but
would still open 1S.
I think your best option would be Namyats, because this will
describe most features of your hand to partner.

With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)

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Poll: "see if you had ace of diamonds and then bid 6"? (43 member(s) have cast votes)

"see if you had ace of diamonds and then bid 6"?

#1 Cascade

#2 Free

#3 Hanoi5

#4 dake50

#5 whereagles

#6 ONEferBRID

#7 andy_h

#8 xcurt

#9 aguahombre

#10 jdonn

#11 Phil

#12 Cascade

#13 ONEferBRID

#14 Cascade

#15 gnasher

#16 OleBerg

#17 Cascade

#18 OleBerg

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