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Can someone give me some information about 3 level short suit responses to 1NT opening bids. Particularly, what, if any, are the differences between the 3M bids and the 3m bids. Secondly, what hand shapes are permitted, I presume 4441 and 5440 but if 5431 shapes are allowed how are these managed/restricted.
And I would be delighted if somebody could summarise the advantages and disadvantages of this method.
Thanks in advance.
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3 level short suit responses to 1NT opening
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Posted 2009-May-21, 12:49
Well, it depends on which version you play. A lot of people play that 3M shows 5-4 or 4-5 in the minors, GF values, and 3-1 or 1-3 in the majors (some bidding the short major; others bidding the major fragment). Some further tweak this by having the 3M have one "range," bidding Minor Suit Stayman and then bidding the stiff with a different range.
That's what I do, but then 3♣ = Puppet Stayman and 3♦=55Majors, INV+.
That's what I do, but then 3♣ = Puppet Stayman and 3♦=55Majors, INV+.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 18:33
And we still have not heard what are advantages and disadvantages of this method.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 21:24
Well, as to my own methods, the advantage is in describing my hand precisely so that partner picks the right contract. The disadvantage is in describing my hand precisely so that the opponents defend the right contract better.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 23:38
kenrexford, on May 22 2009, 03:24 PM, said:
Well, as to my own methods, the advantage is in describing my hand precisely so that partner picks the right contract. The disadvantage is in describing my hand precisely so that the opponents defend the right contract better.
One hopes that the opponents defending the right contract better is worse for them than defending the wrong contract not so well.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2009-May-21, 23:40
We play:
3♣ 4+ clubs 0-1 diamond may have a four-card major
3♦ 4+ diamonds 0-1 club may have a four-card major
3♥ exactly four hearts 0-1 spade
3♠ exactly four spades 0-1 heart
That is 3m is one, two or three suited with shortage in the other minor.
3M is two or three suited with shortage in the other major.
3♣ 4+ clubs 0-1 diamond may have a four-card major
3♦ 4+ diamonds 0-1 club may have a four-card major
3♥ exactly four hearts 0-1 spade
3♠ exactly four spades 0-1 heart
That is 3m is one, two or three suited with shortage in the other minor.
3M is two or three suited with shortage in the other major.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-May-22, 00:18
I play 3x shows a stiff or void in x+1 and either a 3 suited hand or minor hand. Partner can cue the stiff suit to show a maximum with no wastage to explore for suit slam with followups as complicated as you wish. Partner can bid 3nt with the stiff suit well stopped. Partner can bid some other suit exploring for the best non-nt game with weakness in the stiff suit. I find this is a better strategy in IMPs than MP as we not infrequently end up playing 5m= when field is in a sketchy 3nt that still makes 10 tricks a little more often than 8.
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