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(1♦)-1♠-p-2♠
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If you think X should be a general game try, do you think it can be passed?
Does 1♠-p-2♠-(3♦) change your preferred structure?
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spades vs diamonds
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Posted 2009-April-21, 17:59
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-April-21, 18:07
I voted penalty. Only because opener bid all by himself.. if responder had raised, then it is a general game try.
I suspect I am old-fashioned, but I don't mind being old-fashioned in this case.... opener was under pressure and there will be a significant number of hands on which I want to make him pay.
After 1♠ p 2♠ 3♦, I would play this as a game try double... I don't see this as particularly inconsistent...in the one case I opened, in the other I overcalled, and while the handtypes shown overlap, they are not the same.... ditto for the hands shown by the diamond bidder...and his partner... his partner is less limited over my opening than he is over my overcall.
I suspect I am old-fashioned, but I don't mind being old-fashioned in this case.... opener was under pressure and there will be a significant number of hands on which I want to make him pay.
After 1♠ p 2♠ 3♦, I would play this as a game try double... I don't see this as particularly inconsistent...in the one case I opened, in the other I overcalled, and while the handtypes shown overlap, they are not the same.... ditto for the hands shown by the diamond bidder...and his partner... his partner is less limited over my opening than he is over my overcall.
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Posted 2009-April-21, 18:24
strong balanced, typically Hxx of diamonds
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Posted 2009-April-22, 10:48
To me this is a pure penalty double since 3♥ is available as a general game try. If there is no other bid available (e.g. when our suit was hearts) then double will be the game try. As to the question whether that double can be passed: Absolutely! If partner sees a juicy penalty coming up, he should certainly pass.
One of the nicer scores that I remember is after my partner made a support double. The auction was something like Pass-1♦-Pass-1♠; 2♥- Dbl*-Pass to me. I was reasonably sure we could make a slam in spades, but I happened to have AKQJT of hearts as a side suit. No one was vulnerable and I passed. After the play it turned out that we could make a grand slam in spades. However, on the hand, we took 12 tricks against 2♥X. Making the small slam in hearts paid better than the grand slam in spades...
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One of the nicer scores that I remember is after my partner made a support double. The auction was something like Pass-1♦-Pass-1♠; 2♥- Dbl*-Pass to me. I was reasonably sure we could make a slam in spades, but I happened to have AKQJT of hearts as a side suit. No one was vulnerable and I passed. After the play it turned out that we could make a grand slam in spades. However, on the hand, we took 12 tricks against 2♥X. Making the small slam in hearts paid better than the grand slam in spades...
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Posted 2009-April-23, 01:57
Game try with interest in going for blood, with values in
their suit, i.e. similar to Justin, although certain unbal.
hands would also make the X.
3H would be a general game try without interest in going
for blood.
The meaning stays the same.
With kind regards
Marlowe
PS: Where is the "Other" option?
their suit, i.e. similar to Justin, although certain unbal.
hands would also make the X.
3H would be a general game try without interest in going
for blood.
The meaning stays the same.
With kind regards
Marlowe
PS: Where is the "Other" option?
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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