[Lobowolf]

pirate22, on May 13 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

Stephen Tu ty for your replies --------1n/t--2cl---2d--3d this asks pard to bid his best 3 card major,although u did not specify this ,you said it was forcing

the 2cl hand 10xxxx---QJxxx--Kx--x 5/5/2/1 3d is nonforcing to game

i would also agree it depends when one started bridge hence "Chestnuts"

1NT-2C
2D-3D

is forcing and shows diamonds and a 4-card major, in modern standard methods.

[jdonn]

pirate22, on May 13 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

Stephen Tu ty for your replies --------1n/t--2cl---2d--3d this asks pard to bid his best 3 card major

LOL

[P_Marlowe]

hrothgar, on Apr 22 2009, 07:59 AM, said:

Double !, on Apr 22 2009, 03:56 AM, said:

I have a few rules to consider: aka Don's Rules  (lol)

#1)  Never get involved in the opponents "discussions" at the table.  Wait patiently and keep your mouth shut.

This might hold true at MP, but its most certainly not true at teams.

You should be looking for any opportunity to fan the flames. Opponents who are sniping / yelling at each other aren't going to play at all well...

If you do this, be sure it does not kill your performance.
I prefer either a good atmosphere on the table or the
table to be silent.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Stephen Tu]

Quote

Stephen Tu ty for your replies --------1n/t--2cl---2d--3d this asks pard to bid his best 3 card major,although u did not specify this ,you said it was forcing

the 2cl hand 10xxxx---QJxxx--Kx--x 5/5/2/1 3d is nonforcing to game

Pirate22, who the hell taught you to play bridge? What country are you from? You are advocating all these non-std treatments, you obviously haven't learned bridge from any mainstream American or British authors. Some of the treatments you advocate might have a foothold in some obscure corner of the world, but definitely not on BBO in general. If you want to participate here, and be taken at all seriously instead of laughed at, you need to start reading some American/British books. If you want to present some weird bid sequence that for some reason you think is std (but have found out to be wrong, since you've tried it online and found it to be spectacularly unsuccessful), then cite your sources (e.g. author, title, page #). Did someone actually teach you these things or did you invent them yourself?

The standardish way to bid weak 5-5 major hands these days is to bid 2c-2d-2h, showing a weak hand with both majors.

People are going to assume that 1nt-2c-2d-3d shows 5+ diamonds and a good hand.

What do you think 1nt-2c-2d-3c shows? How do you show a good hand with diamonds? How do you show a good hand with clubs?

[Stephen Tu]

Lobowolf, on May 13 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

1NT-2C
2D-3D

is forcing and shows diamonds and a 4-card major, in modern standard methods.

The presence of a 4-cd major is not guaranteed, depending on the rest of the system. If you don't have 4-way transfers or something like Walsh relay to show a single suited minor slam try, then there may not be another way to show a minor suit, forcing. As in SAYC.

[qwery_hi]

G_R__E_G, on Apr 27 2009, 09:41 AM, said:

Benoit35, on Apr 27 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

Quote

There is one cardinal rule I see broken at the bridge table consistently, don't argue with your wife.

Replace "argue" with "play" and I agree 100%.

If you then proceed to replace "wife" with "self" then I agree 110%.

"Don't play with your self?"

[pirate22]

well this has generated many answers and many "Humerous" replies,
Yes I was dragged to the Bridge world,from simple card games,and a game called Solo--------and with no books while serving in the R.A,F. we tried to play the game,and we even got the suit sequences wrong cl/hts/diamds/sp/n/t instead of nt/S/H/d/cl--------then emigrating to Canada,plyd Goren that sorted out the suit sequences,and started to have a modicom of success.
then back to UK "Acol" 12-14 n/'t that was devastating,so picked up so called bad habits,but more success,at club/county/national,
I am not trying,to force non conformist sys,every one to ones own devices,just asjking a question Cardinal rules it seems as though there are some,of which one of them in my book is "Flair"even when watching top experts VU Graph,they get it wrong-----any way to close it has generated a fair no of replies
Regards to all

[TheoKole]

There is 1 cardinal rule that I never break and it REALLY ticks me off when partner does this to me, which is NEVER to pass a forcing bid. (2 ♣, Game try, Slam try, 4th suit, cue bids, Ace asking, etc). Many people regard forcing bids as normal and they forget that if the bidder is still unlimited, he is not asking for an opinion, just infomation from his partner.

The worst example is to pass a 2 ♣ opener if playing SAYC or 2/1 or a 1 ♣ if playing strong ♣ . I have seen this many times because they say it was their "best guess" as to what the best contract was because they have a 6 card ♣ suit and 2 points. Never mind that their "best guess" was based on no information and that they had no idea what your hand was about.

Another example is when you make a series of cue bids, get the required information from your partner and then bid the final contract, and your partner changes it!!! because he did not have a fit. (As if you were asking for one in the first place).

This happened to me last night when I opened 2 ♣ and eventually placed the contract at 6 ♥ after a blackwood sequence. My partner changed it to 6 ♠ and I was forced to bid 6 NT.

Of course 6 ♥ was cold and I was forced to try a double squeeze to make 6NT. After I made the contract, my partner was convinced he had made a good bid.

What can you do?

Theo

[pirate22]

Ill throw another rule in ----when a bidding sequence takes place. and either the opener or during the sequence the responder erupts with either 4 n/t or 4cl
( both bids by agreement) are "ACE) asking--whoever iniates either bid, they are the person in charge of the final contract---------any seconders
regards

[matmat]

pirate22, on Jun 18 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

Ill throw another rule in ----when a bidding sequence takes place. and either the opener or during the sequence the responder erupts with either 4 n/t or 4cl
( both bids by agreement) are "ACE) asking--whoever iniates either bid, they are the person in charge of the final contract---------any seconders
regards

yes 4♣ and 4NT are always aceasking. ALWAYS.

[mtvesuvius]

matmat, on Jun 18 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

pirate22, on Jun 18 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

Ill throw another rule in ----when a bidding sequence takes place. and either the opener or during the sequence the responder  erupts with either 4 n/t or 4cl
( both bids by agreement) are "ACE) asking--whoever iniates either bid, they are the person in charge of the final contract---------any seconders
regards

yes 4♣ and 4NT are always aceasking. ALWAYS.

See Geeber: http://dictionaryofb.../search/label/G

[pirate22]

agree but is the asker in charge of final contract placing-or can the opener overule final placement of contract with another bid/placement

[blackshoe]

The partner who asks for aces is captain. So no.

[Stephen Tu]

Ace asker is captain, so responder should normally respect the final contract placement. But if responder has been prevented from showing his hand, has significant undisclosed extra values or long solid suit that haven't been shown from earlier bidding, they should be able to correct. So it has to be an unusual hand.

Like if I happen to have a solid 8 bagger spades, responder blackwoods 1st round and signs off in 6 clubs, can't I correct at MP?

[jdonn]

Stephen Tu, on Jun 20 2009, 12:37 PM, said:

Ace asker is captain, so responder should normally respect the final contract placement.  But if responder has been prevented from showing his hand, has significant undisclosed extra values or long solid suit that haven't been shown from earlier bidding, they should be able to correct.  So it has to be an unusual hand.

Like if I happen to have a solid 8 bagger spades, responder blackwoods 1st round and signs off in 6 clubs, can't I correct at MP?

Overruling the strain is possible if you didn't have the chance to show your hand, but of course you must be absolutely sure since partner was also sure or he wouldn't have bid blackwood so soon. It is also possible if you have significant extras and never limited your hand to overrule to 6NT, but be careful!

Overruling the level in partner's chosen strain is of course bad practice. The one exception would be if you have the higher number of keycards for your 0-3 or 1-4 response. Although it's not clear if that is standard or requires agreement, it tends to be safe to do.

Overruling because you have an unshown void just means you should have shown your void in your response, so that should not be done.

[blackshoe]

Sure. 6S is gonna be a better MP result. Assuming you can make 6 playing it from your side. But you're right - it is possible to volate captaincy, but you better be right when you do.

[jdonn]

If you are sure (reiterating) then don't forget 6♠ is a better imp result too. 2 imps is 2 imps...

[mycroft]

Blackwood bidder is captain. However, when Blackwood bidder rebids 5NT, she is letting partner in on the game again. If you have the stuff for 7, don't bid at the 6 level - unless you have very good agreements as to how to show extra extras after your initial king response.

If partner is the type to bid 4NT "we might have a slam partner" and 5NT "I like to watch the wheels go round", then an unmakable 7 or two might just be the fastest/only education method that works.