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Hi all,
I had a misunderstanding which I think was quite unnecessary. Imo it's quite standard, but even a so called expert said I was wrong...
The bidding goes:
pass - pass - 1♥ - pass
1♠ - ?
What do following bids mean:
Dbl = ?
1NT = ?
2NT = ?
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Misunderstandings in indi's help me out here plz!
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Posted 2004-May-13, 17:51
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Posted 2004-May-13, 18:16
Free, on May 13 2004, 06:51 PM, said:
Dbl = ?
1NT = ?
2NT = ?
1NT = ?
2NT = ?
They all should show both minors, each one showing more extreme shape than the last. Dbl = 44, 1N = 54, 2N = 55 seems reasonable.
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Posted 2004-May-13, 20:59
It depends. If you play "sandwich NT", 1NT is 4-4 in unbid suits, X also 4-4 in unbid, stronger (can be passed), 2NT is 5-5
If not, X is 4-4, and I like 1NT to be 5-5, no need to jump, maybe for 6-5.
Or you can play 1NT natural, invitational...to disaster.
Tysen's way is reasonable too.
If not, X is 4-4, and I like 1NT to be 5-5, no need to jump, maybe for 6-5.
Or you can play 1NT natural, invitational...to disaster.
Tysen's way is reasonable too.
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Posted 2004-May-13, 23:59
Playing 1N as natural is ridiculous, if that is what someone was suggesting.
A method that I picked up from Amsbury/Payne "TNT and Competitive Bidding" that I quite like is:
After (1x) - P - (1y) - ??
Double = 3-suited takeout of suit "x"
1N = 3-suited takeout of suit "y"
Cue bids and 2N = 2 suiters in unbid suits, more extreme distribution the more expensive the bid, starting with 4-4 (weak) if both suits can be shown at 2 level.
Typically, responder may have as few as 4 cards in his suit, and this may be your best and only fit, so you don't want to lose the option of playing there.
Likewise opener's minor may be prepared, so you don't want to lose the option of playing there either.
Also helps to expose psyches, whether of opener or responder.
This method is particularly well suited to when "x" = Clubs, being generally the most potentially prepared suit, because the first cue bid is lower ranking than bother of your possible 2 (unbid) suits.
After (1H) P (1S) there is an exception: You may want to play in Spades but you are never going to want to play in Hearts, so showing a 3-suiter short in responder's Spades is redundant. That hand type is excluded and 2-suiters start at 1N.
The above may not be exactly as described by Amsbury/Payne, and I would not claim that it is standard in the absence of discussion. Just, whatever you do, don't play 1NT as strong balanced.
A method that I picked up from Amsbury/Payne "TNT and Competitive Bidding" that I quite like is:
After (1x) - P - (1y) - ??
Double = 3-suited takeout of suit "x"
1N = 3-suited takeout of suit "y"
Cue bids and 2N = 2 suiters in unbid suits, more extreme distribution the more expensive the bid, starting with 4-4 (weak) if both suits can be shown at 2 level.
Typically, responder may have as few as 4 cards in his suit, and this may be your best and only fit, so you don't want to lose the option of playing there.
Likewise opener's minor may be prepared, so you don't want to lose the option of playing there either.
Also helps to expose psyches, whether of opener or responder.
This method is particularly well suited to when "x" = Clubs, being generally the most potentially prepared suit, because the first cue bid is lower ranking than bother of your possible 2 (unbid) suits.
After (1H) P (1S) there is an exception: You may want to play in Spades but you are never going to want to play in Hearts, so showing a 3-suiter short in responder's Spades is redundant. That hand type is excluded and 2-suiters start at 1N.
The above may not be exactly as described by Amsbury/Payne, and I would not claim that it is standard in the absence of discussion. Just, whatever you do, don't play 1NT as strong balanced.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
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ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
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2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
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Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2004-May-14, 04:10
Don't forget you already passed...
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Posted 2004-May-14, 05:28
More or less we all think the same 
X= 4+4+ around 10HCP, defensive values
1NT= 5-5 or 5-4, offensive values
2NT= 6-5+ (or 5-5 with concentrated honors) no defensive values at all
X= 4+4+ around 10HCP, defensive values
1NT= 5-5 or 5-4, offensive values
2NT= 6-5+ (or 5-5 with concentrated honors) no defensive values at all
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Posted 2004-May-14, 10:04
X= Minors with defensive values
1 NT = 5/4 minors but maybe some like to play it natural, as pretty much an opening hand, that they didn't open.
2 NT = Minors preemptive
That's why indi's are fun, or sometimes not.
Mike
1 NT = 5/4 minors but maybe some like to play it natural, as pretty much an opening hand, that they didn't open.
2 NT = Minors preemptive
That's why indi's are fun, or sometimes not.
Mike
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